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Old 09-04-2025 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ebola
I don’t know how to tell you this Rick - but you’re just flat out wrong. The data doesn’t back up what you’re saying and neither does my experience. We’re both talking about the same thing I assume ? First world western democracies right ? Use the list in the attached article for a starting point. A forty year old Air France pilot isn’t sitting in a smoky bar on the Marseilles wharf huffing cigarettes.

To your last point - I’ve lived in four of them, and I don’t mean living and working out of a U.S. base with a PX. That's not the same thing. You’re in a bubble.
No, he never said that. You did. You are projecting. Don’t make his comment about something it is not.
Old 09-04-2025 | 04:21 AM
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Reposting here for the 67 fanboys:

The only fair punishment is to make anyone 65 and older have to fly with another pilot that’s 65 and older for every flight.
Old 09-04-2025 | 04:23 AM
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I don’t know how to tell you this Rick - but you’re just flat out wrong. The data doesn’t back up what you’re saying and neither does my experience. We’re both talking about the same thing I assume ? First world western democracies right ? Use the list in the attached article for a starting point. A forty year old Air France pilot isn’t sitting in a smoky bar on the Marseilles wharf huffing cigarettes.

To your last point - I’ve lived in four of them, and I don’t mean living and working out of a U.S. base with a PX. That's not the same thing. You’re in a bubble.
That report is from a biased organization that took a study from a biased source. Among other things they get wrong they do not mention anything about quality of the healthcare people are getting in those different countries (there is a reason that those who can afford it all come to America for major surgeries). [mod edit]

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Old 09-04-2025 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
If I were placing bets, at some point, the whole mandatory retirement age is gonna disappear altogether just like it did in a number of other countries, and it'll be a simple question - can you pass your recurrent training, and can you pass your FAA first class medical? If the answer is yes, you get to keep on flying. If not, happy retirement.
As it should be.
Old 09-04-2025 | 05:29 AM
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I didn't say we had access to cheaper healthcare.

We (upper middle class USA) smoke less and exercise more than most (not all) foreign populations, and we can afford healthcare when we need it.

You haven't worked much overseas, but they smoke a lot in many places.
Our diets are also dogsh!t. A lot of modern medicine is just a big bandaid to put over the gaping gunshot wound that is our obesity and all the chronic illnesses from what we eat.

I personally know two marathon runners that have suffered heart attacks from issues related to poor diet. One lived. You can't drug and exercise your way out of a poor diet. You can have the best mechanics in the world, but if you're putting crap in the gas tank it's still gonna hurt the engine, no matter how shiny your paint looks.

And just because we make really good money and have the means to eat well, it absolutely does not mean we do. I used to get so much crap as an FO from CA's for packing my own food. "Oh wow what a cheap a$$, go buy a proper meal". Nevermind the fact that if/when you do find healthy options, portion sizes are often much bigger. And a lot of pilot's idea of "going to the gym" is walking on the treadmill for half an hour and the heartrate never rises above 120.

The amount of us that do proper weight/resistance training with proportional amounts of ACTUAL cardio, eat healthy, avoids alcohol and puts effort towards maintaining a healthy sleep cycle is likely very small.

Hardly anyone
Old 09-04-2025 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Our diets are also dogsh!t. A lot of modern medicine is just a big bandaid to put over the gaping gunshot wound that is our obesity and all the chronic illnesses from what we eat.

I personally know two marathon runners that have suffered heart attacks from issues related to poor diet. One lived. You can't drug and exercise your way out of a poor diet. You can have the best mechanics in the world, but if you're putting crap in the gas tank it's still gonna hurt the engine, no matter how shiny your paint looks.

And just because we make really good money and have the means to eat well, it absolutely does not mean we do. I used to get so much crap as an FO from CA's for packing my own food. "Oh wow what a cheap a$$, go buy a proper meal". Nevermind the fact that if/when you do find healthy options, portion sizes are often much bigger. And a lot of pilot's idea of "going to the gym" is walking on the treadmill for half an hour and the heartrate never rises above 120.

The amount of us that do proper weight/resistance training with proportional amounts of ACTUAL cardio, eat healthy, avoids alcohol and puts effort towards maintaining a healthy sleep cycle is likely very small.

Hardly anyone
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Old 09-04-2025 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Reposting here for the 67 fanboys:

The only fair punishment is to make anyone 65 and older have to fly with another pilot that’s 65 and older for every flight.
Did it many times. It was fun.
Old 09-04-2025 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ebola
I don’t know how to tell you this Rick - but you’re just flat out wrong. The data doesn’t back up what you’re saying and neither does my experience. We’re both talking about the same thing I assume ? First world western democracies right ? Use the list in the attached article for a starting point. A forty year old Air France pilot isn’t sitting in a smoky bar on the Marseilles wharf huffing cigarettes.

To your last point - I’ve lived in four of them, and I don’t mean living and working out of a U.S. base with a PX. That's not the same thing. You’re in a bubble.
No, I'm not talking about specific first world western democracies (yes we know Scandinavians are probably healthier).

I'm talking about the world in general, including Asia, Africa, ME, East Europe, Med countries, etc.

Point being that I don't consider global population health statistics as valid for determining our career longevity, because people like to quote those way out of context, ie the average life span of a new born in a war-torn failed African state is not relevant to my cognitive health at age 56, 67, or 70.

Analysis needs to be done on US pilots, in the year 2025. Not 1955, not the global population. In a pinch US upper middle class would work. Maybe you need to adjust for gender, and maybe girls get a different FAA age? Although that would never synch with ICAO.
Old 09-04-2025 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Our diets are also dogsh!t. A lot of modern medicine is just a big bandaid to put over the gaping gunshot wound that is our obesity and all the chronic illnesses from what we eat.
"Our" diets are not dogpoop. I eat pretty healthy, and yes I can feel the difference. I'd be in favor of massive restrictions on processed food, (the west euros do get that right).

Originally Posted by Meme In Command
I personally know two marathon runners that have suffered heart attacks from issues related to poor diet. One lived. You can't drug and exercise your way out of a poor diet. You can have the best mechanics in the world, but if you're putting crap in the gas tank it's still gonna hurt the engine, no matter how shiny your paint looks.
Yes, I know one too. Marathon runner, navy officer, ex-enlisted marine, keeled over dead in his 40's while an active member of a special operations unit. Didn't want to take the meds, was very aggressive about diet and exercise but it wasn't enough given his numbers.

Originally Posted by Meme In Command
And just because we make really good money and have the means to eat well, it absolutely does not mean we do. I used to get so much crap as an FO from CA's for packing my own food. "Oh wow what a cheap a$$, go buy a proper meal". Nevermind the fact that if/when you do find healthy options, portion sizes are often much bigger. And a lot of pilot's idea of "going to the gym" is walking on the treadmill for half an hour and the heartrate never rises above 120.

The amount of us that do proper weight/resistance training with proportional amounts of ACTUAL cardio, eat healthy, avoids alcohol and puts effort towards maintaining a healthy sleep cycle is likely very small.

Hardly anyone
Again I do all that, and so do most of the folks I fly with (who are mostly all old).

But that's why I want a *representative* study. I don't know but I suspect the age is too low. Or maybe it's too high, let the chips fall where they may
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Did it many times. It was fun.
cool. You can do it every time. This is all about fairness, right?
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