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Old 04-17-2026 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
Please explain “monumental success”. What exactly is it you think we have accomplished with this war? Genuinely curious.
You sound mad bro. Never seen so many people root against the United States of America just so they can say they were right. Huge success with minimal loss (I think the casualty count still hasn't exceeded what we suffered in a single day during one of the worst blundered military operations in history, the Afghan withdrawal). Why that angers people like you will be something that will be studied for decades to come. What a strange time we live in.
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Old 04-17-2026 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
You sound mad bro. Never seen so many people root against the United States of America just so they can say they were right. Huge success with minimal loss (I think the casualty count still hasn't exceeded what we suffered in a single day during one of the worst blundered military operations in history, the Afghan withdrawal). Why that angers people like you will be something that will be studied for decades to come. What a strange time we live in.
Not mad at all “bro”. Not sure how you got that from my post but by all means, continue to paint with whatever broad brush helps you sleep at night. I think it’s a reasonable question to ask what exactly we have accomplished with this foray. Apparently you don’t really have any answers and have therefore chosen to fall back on your tried and true straw man arguments. Noted.
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Old 04-17-2026 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
I am still waiting on the data on why we actually went to war.
special military operation

FIFY
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Old 04-17-2026 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
Please explain “monumental success”. What exactly is it you think we have accomplished with this war? Genuinely curious.
Accomplished what? Indeed. Cavalier question given the conflict scale and complexity. Far too soon for any projections or finalized assessment. Knock on effects are sure to follow. Severity unknown.
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Old 04-17-2026 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
So you are saying this new high doesn’t REALLY affect my 401k?

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I beg to differ.
The stock market rebound is great. The fact that you think the oil futures pricing is what anyone is paying right now or for at least the next few months is hilarious.
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Old 04-17-2026 | 12:00 PM
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April 17, 2026, 6:41 AM PDT / Updated April 17, 2026, 9:24 AM PDT
By Steve KopackThe price of oil plunged sharply and two U.S. stock indexes hit all-time highs Friday after Iran’s foreign minister said the Strait of Hormuz was open for commercial vessels.
“In line with the ceasefire in Lebanon, the passage for all commercial vessels through Strait of Hormuz is declared completely open for the remaining period of ceasefire, on the coordinated route as already announced by Ports and Maritime Organisation of the Islamic Rep. of Iran,” Abbas Araghchi wrote in a post on X.

U.S. crude oil plunged 12% to around $83 per barrel, while international Brent crude also slid more than 10% to around $89 per barrel.

Heating oil futures, which are a proxy for jet fuel, plummeted 11%. Wholesale RBOB gas futures also fell 6%.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/mar...war-rcna332321


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Old 04-17-2026 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
There is also a political spectrum within Iran; they have their own version of liberals, moderates, and conservatives within their context. Speaking of them as a political monolith ignores the extent to which US actions have given strength to their most fiery fundamentalists at the expense of their more reasonable moderates. Pulling out of the JCPOA undermined the "moderates" over there and has lent credence to their most hard line leaders; if the US won't even uphold it's own end of the bargain, why bargain at all? We have contributed to that "monster" significantly by our own bad-faith actions.
Sure. But due to the very deep (and very deliberate) integration of IRGC into all aspects of government and economy, it's hard for moderates/liberals to gain any real traction.

I don't think that waiting for the moderates to take over was ever a viable strategy (we were actually kind of waiting and hoping back in the day when I was involved, but nothing has really changed over the years).

For the same reason I think that shooting for or talking about regime change in this conflict is a fool's errand.

Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
As far as the religious difference between IR and NK, I don't think that point has much salience. The NK leader is viewed as divine as well, and just because Islam has it's own eschatology doesn't make it any different from Christianity.
It is very different and very salient. The entire DPRK system revolves around the boss, including the divinity aspect.

In IR, the system revolves around a doctrine that is somewhat open to interpretation, and the leaders are consider stewards of the cause. They are not prophets or divine, and thus need to keep the fanatics happy with their diligence and stewardship. The IRGC et al is a monster that the regime created and now needs to keep fed.

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Christianity is equally concerned with bringing about the apocalypse as Islam is from a theological perspective.
Not that I've ever see. If there are fringe sects (probably safe to assume), they are not running the military or government. Religion was never really present in my decades of military service (well maybe at the USAFA, heard that was a thing at one point).

Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
Are the generals who purportedly referred to the book of Revelations and the Sec of War constantly referencing scripture in press conferences really that much different than the IRGC spewing their version of fire and brimstone?
Yes. They are not advocating for apocalypse or genocide. Of course I'd rather they not even go there but I suspect they're just playing to part of the base. Again I didn't vote for any of this.
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Old 04-17-2026 | 12:15 PM
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Again, what do you think oil is trading for TODAY? When do you think it will actually be selling for $90/BBL? When do you think it will be back to what we were paying before this whole debacle started?
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Old 04-17-2026 | 12:44 PM
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Cherrypicking data from *individual days* to make a point.... Shirley you can't be serious.





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Old 04-17-2026 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
You sound mad bro. Never seen so many people root against the United States of America just so they can say they were right. Huge success with minimal loss (I think the casualty count still hasn't exceeded what we suffered in a single day during one of the worst blundered military operations in history, the Afghan withdrawal). Why that angers people like you will be something that will be studied for decades to come. What a strange time we live in.
Huge success? You know what happens next? Iran and Pakistan become very good friends.

Thats all we have accomplished.

It doesn’t mean I’m unpatriotic…I just know how this ends.

You are attracted to strong personalities and hate liberals , I get that. What you need is someone strong to follow. Kind of like the song Opiate.
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