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[QUOTE=OpieTaylor;4028702]

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 4028668)

It may be a little misleading to say “upgrade”.

Sour crude is corrosive to equipment so US refinery’s spent billions to upgrade equipment to process it because it’s sourced from poor countries and acquired cheap.

Sweet crude is less corrosive to equipment and inferior metals can safely be used so the rest of the world built to the minimum. Whats makes sweat crude more expensive is it can be processed at most all refineries and sour cannot.

Your basically saying you have to upgrade your salt water engine to operate in fresh water.

Its definitely a loss of efficiency to spend billions in upgrades to run sour crude then arbitrarily stop and buy sweet crude.

You don’t have to upgrade a 777 to fly 100 people 500 miles, but it’s a non starter business model because of a gross loss of efficiency. After you spent so much money investing in the equipment that can do more.

good point. Not to mention, jet powerplants can run on Chevron if they have to..

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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 4028702)

You're absolutely right and you highlight a great paradox of the energy market and in a nutshell, this crisis.

We essentially pay a "purity premium" for Light Sweet Crude precisely because it requires less work to process, even though its natural yields are somewhat misaligned with the heavy duty needs of the modern industrial global economy.

While gasoline powers the passenger fleet, diesel and jet fuel power the global supply chain. Moreover, Heavy/Sour crudes naturally have much higher yields for jet fuel and diesel. This is where Complex Refineries like those in the USA shine and you are spot on to correct that "upgrade" was the wrong word choice.

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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 4028508)

Well we had a president that killed a major pipeline from Canada to push heavy crude to us.

It was determined more palatable to haul it on rail at an added carbon and actual cost because it feels more temporary than a pipeline. People’s feelings matter, a new pipeline is too long of a commitment to oil.

Absolutely fair criticism. Energy is simply too important to be subject to the latest political whims. We need some sort of arrangement like we had during the cold war where both parties agreed that coherent, long term policies were far more important than short term political victories.

[QUOTE=METO Guido;4028706]

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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 4028702)

good point. Not to mention, jet powerplants can run on Chevron if they have to..

They can run on almost anything, including peanut butter.

But despite having slight better specific energy than Jet A, gasoline has some properties that make it problematic for airline aviation, volatility being the biggy.

[QUOTE=rickair7777;4028766]

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Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4028706)

Jiffy, I dunno. But here’s what can happen if you use a garden hose into a mechanical FCU;)

https://youtu.be/D9J91Iq52Bk?si=6IzqVhcPhkoXfqhL

[QUOTE=METO Guido;4028706]

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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 4028702)

good point. Not to mention, jet powerplants can run on Chevron if they have to..

I dunno about a CFM turbofan, but a PT6 can only run 150 hours on 100LL before requiring overhaul...

[QUOTE=Turbosina;4028789]

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Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4028706)

I dunno about a CFM turbofan, but a PT6 can only run 150 hours on 100LL before requiring overhaul...

Can’t imagine it would do it any good. With any luck they’ll put this nightmare to bed this week.
What’s the story with the quote function btw?

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Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4028789)

What’s the story with the quote function btw?

Seems to be working OK. What trouble were you having with it?

Ah, I see now…
Disregard.

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Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4028789)

Can’t imagine it would do it any good. With any luck they’ll put this nightmare to bed this week.
What’s the story with the quote function btw?

Seems to be an issue with mobile version of the website. Have to manually remove the first Quote prompt which is incorrect. Seems like a software bug that should be an easy fix

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 4028814)

Seems to be an issue with mobile version of the website. Have to manually remove the first Quote prompt which is incorrect. Seems like a software bug that should be an easy fix

I’ve reported it MULTIPLE TIMES. One mod had the cajones to tell me it was my fault when using the quote function :rolleyes: