Those are fair points. I sometimes seriously scratch my head when it comes to the President (especially his 'mouth'), and sometimes I sit back and think he's crazy like a fox. There have been a number of things where I have been very impressed with the outcome, despite all the naysayers' gnashing of teeth, which drives a large part of the media and twitterverse (X-verse?) crazy, almost to the point where they chase their own tail. Which, if on purpose, is the ultimate troll.

For the moment, FWIW, I am still trusting his gut here. But not without concern. I will say, if history bears out that Iran really did have 60% enriched Uranium (the ONLY purpose for which is to build a nuke, despite the absolute lie of the Iranian fatwa against it - lying to the infidel is permissible in their holy book), then I feel this will all have been worth it. At least for the scenarios that are legitimately foreseeable. IMO, Iran among any nation absolutely cannot be trusted with a Nuke. Hillary Clinton said that. Heck, even Kamala Harris said that, on multiple occasions... Even Chuck Schumer denounced the JPCOA on the senate floor as insufficient. I was shocked when I saw that video (short version here - amazing how he has changed his tune...). I submit history will debate the "how" of we got here most.

I appreciate the respectful dialogue too. Far too little rational discussion in the western world, the US, and yes, here on APC too. Far too many people only see things only in the binary, almost exclusively in alignment with their tribe (though not all).

Well, here we go again… nice try again to the tolerant Left.

oil still not at $150

ummm, jetA 13$ gallon at LAX?

yup too many people staring at WTI/Brent futures and thinking that’s all there is to the oil market.

Big picture this crisis will become a reality to Americans when critical shortages and ration starts for jet fuel and diesel in the May to June timeframe. Jet fuel and Diesel are middle distillates. Medium to heavy sour crude is the type of input needed into a refinery that yields higher output of these types of fuel. And this is the exact type of fuel stuck in the Hormuz.

The world has adequate amounts of gasoline with jet fuel and diesel critically short. Here in the states the critical shortages of jet fuel will start in May on the West Coast with rationing spreading to local outages. On the East Coast record exports to Europe will drain inventories and also result in rationing and localized outages. Mass flight cancellations and parking of jets likely. The Trump administration, sensing the urgency of the situation, is currently considering export ban of refined products.

Then in June comes critical diesel shortages affecting the transport of food and product. Get ready to pay 40-100% higher at the grocery store.

Even more dire, it’ll likely take 18+ months to resolve this crisis

Yup. This is what the Robinhood crowd doesn’t understand. They do their daily check of WTI Brent futures and think all is well. The typical arrogant answer is “is it $150 yet?”

No price gouging at KLAX, mind you. KVNY average $9.11

Holy crap, no wonder we tankered so much fuel to LAX. Tanks were filled to the max. Good thing they closed down all their refineries

City of Angels. In the immortal words of Stephen King, fun is fun, done is done. Time to put this ghost story to rest.

And the kicker is that this is no longer a theoretical issue. Shortages WILL happen at this point. The last tankers carrying Persian gulf oil have discharged their cargo & as you said, it’ll take months to get everything back to normal. That’s AFTER hostilities end and the gulf is fully opened. Get ready to add bailouts to the transportation industry, agriculture, and Middle East gulf states to the already staggering costs of this war.

Sucks that California (annd Hawaii) import a ton of their oil from foreign Countries. Also sucks they have roughly 20 less refineries than they did in decades past. Also sad they tax the sh!t out of their gas.

like I said earlier, you take CA out of the West Coast average price, it drops $0.40. I noticed we started carrying extra fuel to CA long before Iran started.

$40-100% more? So worse than [mod edit] years… sure pal. Gas at the pump isn’t at Joes record highs, yet you predict 2-5x the price increases his administration created trying to Build Back Better?