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MiracleMets 03-28-2026 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Clearedtocross (Post 4017669)
This thread is about the economic impacts of the Iran war, drifted into a Bitcoin commercial. Carry on…

lol I mean you engaged. But sure change the subject when you’ve lost the ability to back up your opinion.

Clearedtocross 03-28-2026 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by MiracleMets (Post 4017675)
lol I mean you engaged. But sure change the subject when you’ve lost the ability to back up your opinion.

Nope, you changed the subject from what it is titled, I’m trying to get it back, but nice try in rearranging the facts. I made my point, and backed it up with the greatest investor ever to walk the planet. Go find the crypto thread - good luck with your gambling career.

Excargodog 03-28-2026 11:20 AM

Getting the thread back on track…


​​The Strait of Hormuz is the most important transit route not just for oil but also for fertilizers. Persian Gulf countries account for about 46 percent of global seaborne urea transit and around 30 percent of ammonia transit. These nitrogen compounds are integral for efficient cultivation of almost every food crop. However, their shipping from the Persian Gulf is almost completely paralyzed.

Disruptions to maritime transit through the strait have already triggered a sharp surge in nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizer prices. According to Platts, as of March 19, the free on board (FOB) price for Middle East granular urea rose to $604–710 per ton, up from $436–494 before the start of the war. The Southeast Asia granular urea was at $750 per ton on March 19, up from $490–498 in late February. While these prices are still below the 2022 record highs, they continue to grow.

Furthermore, unlike with oil, there are no strategic reserves of urea, no alternate pipelines for ammonia, and no military escort programs. Saudi Arabia has created infrastructure to export oil bypassing the Strait of Hormuz, but no such solutions exist for fertilizers.

The lag between disruptions in fertilizer supply and rising food prices is measured in seasons rather than days. A farmer who doesn’t have access to urea at the start of the planting season might use less fertilizer, switch to a different crop, or forgo planting altogether. This decision affects the harvest in three to six months, and takes longer still to impact supermarket prices. Today we are at the very beginning of this cycle.

The UN World Food Program estimates that the number of people experiencing acute food insecurity could rise by 45 million to a record-high 363 million if the war in Iran doesn’t end by mid-2026, and oil prices remain above $100 a barrel.
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https://carnegieendowment.org/russia...tilizer-export

MiracleMets 03-28-2026 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Clearedtocross (Post 4017690)
Nope, you changed the subject from what it is titled, I’m trying to get it back, but nice try in rearranging the facts. I made my point, and backed it up with the greatest investor ever to walk the planet. Go find the crypto thread - good luck with your gambling career.

WTF?! I know I changed the subject. I’m saying once I changed the subject you then engaged in my subject and then only tried to bring it back once I owned you in rational thought.

also why would you think Warren’s buffet it the greatest investor ever to walk the earth. I’d say the Rothschilds would eat his lunch. Also, do a deep dive into his performance history once they changed the insider investor rules.

I’ll make it clear though since you can’t comprehend things very easily. I DONT THINK WARREN BUFFET IS A BAD INVESTOR so don’t come back telling me I’m stupid and said Warren buffet is terrible because I said the Rothschild are better. Two things can be true at once. But i also fail to fathom why you think bitcoin is gambling but stocks aren’t. Do you invest in stocks? Ever seen them go to zero? How is that not gambling?All investing is essentially gambling. But please please please check out buffets performance after they changed the insider trading rules. He never beat the market average again.

word302 03-28-2026 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by MiracleMets (Post 4017694)
WTF?! I know I changed the subject. I’m saying once I changed the subject you then engaged in my subject and then only tried to bring it back once I owned you in rational thought.

also why would you think Warren’s buffet it the greatest investor ever to walk the earth. I’d say the Rothschilds would eat his lunch. Also, do a deep dive into his performance history once they changed the insider investor rules.

I’ll make it clear though since you can’t comprehend things very easily. I DONT THINK WARREN BUFFET IS A BAD INVESTOR so don’t come back telling me I’m stupid and said Warren buffet is terrible because I said the Rothschild are better. Two things can be true at once. But i also fail to fathom why you think bitcoin is gambling but stocks aren’t. Do you invest in stocks? Ever seen them go to zero? How is that not gambling?All investing is essentially gambling. But please please please check out buffets performance after they changed the insider trading rules. He never beat the market average again.

Dude give it a rest.

WarmSandDreams 03-28-2026 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4017692)
Getting the thread back on track…



https://carnegieendowment.org/russia...tilizer-export

Kind of like how threatening tariffs on Canadian potash caused their potash companies to sell to China and India, increasing the cost of potash for our farmers. Our farmers can get away without fertilizer for a year, but it's going to come back to bite us after that.

DeltaboundRedux 03-28-2026 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by MiracleMets (Post 4017664)
Let’s also acknowledge that not all crypto is created equal. Fartcoin and Bitcoin are not the same investment.

One is for fun and one has long term value.

Nobody knows which is which.

Pull my finger vs. buy my tulip bulb.

Turbosina 03-28-2026 03:19 PM

Well let's see, so far we are accomplishing the following financial transfers as a result of this "expedition":

-- Significantly more money coming out of consumers' pockets and going directly to Russia and Iran. Whether you're filling your tank, buying an airline ticket, or buying anything that has to get shipped anywhere (which is everything, unless you're buying from your next door neighbor)... more of your hard earned money is now supporting Russian and Iranian power.

- Much of those funds are also going to oil companies across the globe. Given the US corporate tax rates, very little of those excess profits will be returned back to the average taxpayer in the form of any kind of beneficial government spending).

- While we continue to add to our national debt at a frankly horrifying rate, we simply push the can down the road. Thereby making our own economic future even dimmer. (And yes, I agree, *both* parties are to blame for this.) But simply compare the amount of debt added under the last few presidents (start with Reagan and go through Trump 47) and ask yourself: really, which party has been worse for the national debt?

-- And as the article above mentions, the SoH controls much more than just the flow of 20 pct of the world's oil. I had no idea that so much of the world's fertilizer depends on that waterway being open. The implications for food costs -- not today, not tomorrow, but months from now -- are staggering.

As Americans, we really have become a soft nation. We have become so used to an incredible standard of living and all the conveniences of the modern age. We've spent much of the last three decades as the world's only superpower, ever since the collapse of the USSR. We're so used to all this prosperity that we absolutely take for granted our pre-eminent status in the world, our standard of living, our position of leadership in science, medicine, technology, and so on.

But now it would appear that we think we can do whatever we like -- threaten allies, back out of deals, start actual.shooting wars, and it will all be just fine, because things have gone mostly our way for the last 8 decades. Those of us who are old enough to remember when we weren't a superpower, are mostly in the next world now.

However, actions have consequences. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You can only break so many things inside a house before the house comes crashing down on you. This war will affect FAR more than just the price of gas you pay at the pump...but few supporters of the war are willing to realize or admit that.

If this war drags on for a significant period of time, I think even the most hardcore supporters of this war, and of everything else we're doing to try and blow up the world order that has existed since 1945 and allowed us to become the great nation that we are...well, I have to think that at least some of these folks will realize that 'move fast and break things" might have worked as a company motto at Facebook. But it is never the motto of a great nation.

CGLimits 03-28-2026 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4017723)
Well let's see, so far we are accomplishing the following financial transfers as a result of this "expedition":

-- Significantly more money coming out of consumers' pockets and going directly to Russia and Iran. Whether you're filling your tank, buying an airline ticket, or buying anything that has to get shipped anywhere (which is everything, unless you're buying from your next door neighbor)... more of your hard earned money is now supporting Russian and Iranian power.

- Much of those funds are also going to oil companies across the globe. Given the US corporate tax rates, very little of those excess profits will be returned back to the average taxpayer in the form of any kind of beneficial government spending).

- While we continue to add to our national debt at a frankly horrifying rate, we simply push the can down the road. Thereby making our own economic future even dimmer. (And yes, I agree, *both* parties are to blame for this.) But simply compare the amount of debt added under the last few presidents (start with Reagan and go through Trump 47) and ask yourself: really, which party has been worse for the national debt?

-- And as the article above mentions, the SoH controls much more than just the flow of 20 pct of the world's oil. I had no idea that so much of the world's fertilizer depends on that waterway being open. The implications for food costs -- not today, not tomorrow, but months from now -- are staggering.

As Americans, we really have become a soft nation. We have become so used to an incredible standard of living and all the conveniences of the modern age. We've spent much of the last three decades as the world's only superpower, ever since the collapse of the USSR. We're so used to all this prosperity that we absolutely take for granted our pre-eminent status in the world, our standard of living, our position of leadership in science, medicine, technology, and so on.

But now it would appear that we think we can do whatever we like -- threaten allies, back out of deals, start actual.shooting wars, and it will all be just fine, because things have gone mostly our way for the last 8 decades. Those of us who are old enough to remember when we weren't a superpower, are mostly in the next world now.

However, actions have consequences. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You can only break so many things inside a house before the house comes crashing down on you. This war will affect FAR more than just the price of gas you pay at the pump...but few supporters of the war are willing to realize or admit that.

If this war drags on for a significant period of time, I think even the most hardcore supporters of this war, and of everything else we're doing to try and blow up the world order that has existed since 1945 and allowed us to become the great nation that we are...well, I have to think that at least some of these folks will realize that 'move fast and break things" might have worked as a company motto at Facebook. But it is never the motto of a great nation.

Excellent post. Thank you.

Extenda 03-28-2026 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 4017738)
Excellent post. Thank you.

I fear Turbonista is correct, but I hope Vax is right and makes us all look like drama queens.

America derives its wealth, power and influence on being a known entity on the world stage. The last year has been the most flagrant “let’s shake it up!” example of us, for some reason, taking a wrecking ball to that position. Like, why? We’ve been running the earth since the end of WWII. This also isn’t going to be an “oopsie, that didn’t work out, sorry everyone let’s go back to how it was a decade ago.” Situation. Bridges are burned. The world is going to be fundamentally different going forward.

Americans by and large have taken the last 80 years for granted. Elections don’t matter to us aside from being a sporting event for your side to win, even if they do the exact opposite of what they said they would.


METO Guido 03-28-2026 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 4017754)
Don't worry. Mr vax said everything will be fine in a few weeks.

Probably not. Is the US/IDF holding gulf traffic hostage? Routinely lighting off rogue rocket assaults, attacking festival crowds, vest bombing marathons? No. That’s Iran’s stock in trade. Pop a tac on their enrichment cellar and let Germany sort it out. Next:)



Excargodog 03-29-2026 10:12 AM

https://www.twz.com/air/images-purpo...iranian-strike

Chalk up the loss of one E-3 as part of the economic cost. I’m no AGS guy but that looks seriously beyond economical repair.

METO Guido 03-29-2026 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Merequetengue (Post 4017903)
lol got an infraction from rickair for a comments in line with every other comment in this thread, I guess he felt attacked. Anyway Rick I just want to apologize if it make you feel bad.

Wow, nobody ever apologized to me here? If I recall correctly, you questioned the wisdom behind unleashing dogs of war on top of mounting tariff cost, CBP raid ops, budget impasse, intractable currency devaluation and of course ongoing legislative/judicial branch deadlock. To which I replied, good question.


Name User 03-29-2026 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4017924)
https://www.twz.com/air/images-purpo...iranian-strike

Chalk up the loss of one E-3 as part of the economic cost. I’m no AGS guy but that looks seriously beyond economical repair.

Yes I would definitely put that in the "loss" column. #winning

We have 16 15 remaining.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HEi9CeRb...g&name=900x900https://i.ibb.co/dwBmVYyL/image.png

word302 03-29-2026 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4017977)
We’ve already lost waaaaaaaay more than whatever DOGE saved.

So way more than 0?

word302 03-29-2026 01:39 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...-checkout=true

Are we winning yet?

ShyGuy 03-29-2026 01:46 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ure-oil-shock/



Yikes

word302 03-29-2026 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4017981)

You're late to the party man.

Name User 03-29-2026 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4017981)

Gets even better, Russia is no longer exporting gas, this is turning into a worldwide problem for which everyone is blaming us.

Russia announces gasoline export ban as Ukrainian strikes hammer oil infrastructure

I wish we could go back a month and argue over who's team was the dumber one, and not real issues like significant energy shortages that outright threaten our livelihoods.

checkgear 03-29-2026 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4017966)
Yes I would definitely put that in the "loss" column. #winning

We have 16 15 remaining.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HEi9CeRb...g&name=900x900https://i.ibb.co/dwBmVYyL/image.png

What an absolute shame, these things are awesome. Why would they have something like this parked within striking range?

word302 03-29-2026 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 4018008)
What an absolute shame, these things are awesome. Why would they have something like this parked within striking range?

Because decisions are being made by a cabal of clowns who fired a good number of qualified leaders.

madmax757 03-29-2026 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 4018008)
What an absolute shame, these things are awesome. Why would they have something like this parked within striking range?

apparently, these things cost $300 million. That’s a lot of money for an old plane like that.

word302 03-29-2026 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Merequetengue (Post 4018015)
Well I guess this is going to be my last post, don’t even post much so I don’t really care lol. But got another infraction for apologizing to the mod .

Hopefully someone read this before it gets deleted.

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Economic Impacts of Iran War
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lol got an infraction from rickair for a comments in line with every other comment in this thread, I guess he felt attacked. Anyway Rick I just want to apologize if it make you feel bad.

Cheers!

I wish there was a way to see our “points” total. I’m doing my best to win whatever game we’re playing.

word302 03-29-2026 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4018039)
About the response I expect from the only thumbs up in support of the petulant child. Let me guess.....u think you run the show and are also unable to learn your lesson and have been banned?

Yea...no axe to grind there!

Yeah I mean questioning the mods here lately is so edgy.

Excargodog 03-29-2026 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 4018008)
What an absolute shame, these things are awesome. Why would they have something like this parked within striking range?

Based on the attempt at Diego Garcia striking range for their missiles is about 4000 km.

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That pretty well takes in the whole Middle East, most of Europe, half of Africa, etc.

Excargodog 03-29-2026 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 4018013)
apparently, these things cost $300 million. That’s a lot of money for an old plane like that.

Replacements coming:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0F0eYE_krg

But they aren’t cheap either.

MtoL 03-29-2026 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4018057)
Replacements coming:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0F0eYE_krg

But they aren’t cheap either.

lol

Imagine the disappointment when they found out their upgrade from their 707 was....a 737

FangsF15 03-30-2026 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4018057)
Replacements coming:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0F0eYE_krg

But they aren’t cheap either.

What’s the actual acquisition timeline though? I don’t keep up anymore, but haven’t we seen it get pushed back several times (probably due to the cost). Is it even in the FYDP?

Lowslung 03-30-2026 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4018103)
What’s the actual acquisition timeline though? I don’t keep up anymore, but haven’t we seen it get pushed back several times (probably due to the cost). Is it even in the FYDP?

Last I heard, USAF was attempting to dump it, citing new capes that have yet to be fielded. Brilliant. Our ability to field weapons systems and adapt to new threats has got to be one of our biggest weaknesses.

Weapons procurement has become nothing more than a giant teat for contractors. Boeing and Lockheed could literally care less if the products they sell taxpayers are actually effective and useful. Their executives continue to get their bonuses and pat each other on the back for doing nothing other than effectively screwing the American taxpayer.

Can you imagine how absolutely forked we’d be if we were fighting the Taiwan conflict right now against an enemy with far better resources and tech than the Iranians? Holyforkingsheetballs we need to start getting our ****e together.

rickair7777 03-30-2026 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Lowslung (Post 4018140)
Can you imagine how absolutely forked we’d be if we were fighting the Taiwan conflict right now against an enemy with far better resources and tech than the Iranians? Holyforkingsheetballs we need to start getting our ****e together.

That's always been the risk for the US of being involved in a major contingency operation (regardless whether you chose the conflict, or it chose you)... the usual suspects on the other side of world might decide to take advantage of the situation while you're distracted.

Yes we plan for that as well. Immediately post cold war, the force structure plan was to be able to fight two such conflicts at once.

After enough drawdown, the philosophy shifted to "Fight One, Hold One". Idea being fight one conflict to a suitable resolution while preventing the other enemy from winning. Then shift forces from the first conflict to the second. Sounds challenging, and yes it is.

But in this case China is *very* deliberate about how they proceed.

1. They *really* like to watch, learn and take notes when we engage in major operations. As opposed to going off half-cocked on their end.

2. They like to do things on their own timeline, and they think long-term.

So I don't think they're going to start a war just because something else popped off on our end.

Now that's not absolutely saying that they might not have a plan ready, and their Go Criteria *requires* us to be involved elsewhere. Or even hypothetically that they arrange for the distraction to go down. But no sign of that in this case, I suspect this was probably instigated by IL one way or another.

PNWFlyer 03-30-2026 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4018103)
What’s the actual acquisition timeline though? I don’t keep up anymore, but haven’t we seen it get pushed back several times (probably due to the cost). Is it even in the FYDP?

funny l, other allied countries have been flying it for years. The hold up is unnecessary AF requirements like MLS for example, that no one uses, but some General likes. It makes the plane impossible to build.

the Air Force is making it expensive. Not Boeing.

11atsomto 03-30-2026 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4018162)

1. They *really* like to watch, learn and take notes when we engage in major operations.

Ahahahahahah it’s always Westerners producing the the hard, creative, and time consuming intellectual property. Much easier to cherry pick and plagiarize. This is nothing new, it’s in their culture.

See also:

Boeing and Bombardier: Comac
Porsche:Great Wall Motor Manufacturing
Rolex and Louis Vuitton: some piece of crap some clown on Canal street reverse engineered.

ThumbsUp 03-30-2026 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4018103)
What’s the actual acquisition timeline though? I don’t keep up anymore, but haven’t we seen it get pushed back several times (probably due to the cost). Is it even in the FYDP?

Yes, for many years now.

rickair7777 03-30-2026 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4018230)
Ahahahahahah it’s always Westerners producing the the hard, creative, and time consuming intellectual property. Much easier to cherry pick and plagiarize. This is nothing new, it’s in their culture.

What's in their culture (more the totalitarian political aspect) is severe hierarchy and reluctance to stick one's neck out. Hence a reluctance to innovate.

The PRC, unlike many other similar governments, at least recognizes their own limitation and makes the effort to plagiarize. Rather than believing their own propaganda that their way is better, and finding out the hard way that it's not.

That gets them into the near-peer category.

But what I was referring to is that they sit up straight and pay attention when *we* get into a conflict, because they want to observe how we do, and also how the opposition does.

Gulf-I was a *huge* wake-up call for PRC, when the largest army in the world, with soviet doctrine and hardware and eight years recent war experience got rolled up by the US in a matter of hours. Of course China had the same soviet hardware and doctrine. That kicked off the PRC's Revolution in Military Affairs, which is still progress today.

Excargodog 03-30-2026 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4018103)
What’s the actual acquisition timeline though? I don’t keep up anymore, but haven’t we seen it get pushed back several times (probably due to the cost). Is it even in the FYDP?

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ai...modifications/
An excerpt:


The Air Force on March 12 awarded contract modifications worth a combined $2.4 billion to Boeing to procure an undisclosed number of E-7 Wedgetail as part of the program’s engineering and manufacturing development phase and continue work on the airborne battle management aircraft’s radar.

The service did not say how many additional E-7s will be purchased under the $2.3 billion option exercise modification, which accounts for the bulk of the money.

The Wedgetail is an advanced early warning and control aircraft which could replace the Air Force’s fleet of aging E-3 Sentries.

The Air Force had previously struck a deal with Boeing, initially worth up to $1.2 billion and later definitized as a $2.56 billion contract, to build two rapid prototype E-7s.

In a statement to Air & Space Forces Magazine, the Air Force said it has approved an updated acquisition strategy for the E-7, as called for by the 2026 Consolidated Appropriations Act signed into law in February.

“This strategy executes Congressional direction to continue development and transition to an engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase,” the Air Force said. “The aircraft acquired for the EMD phase will allow the Air Force to mature the system design, conduct risk reduction, and perform comprehensive test and verification activities in accordance with Congressional intent.”
Granted, military procurement thoroughly sucks, and considering all the cr@p and delays that went on in the KC-46 program, it won’t be on time or on budget, but considering it’s already flying in export versions, they may actually not be too late.

The Australians are allegedly supplying one or more of their Wedgetail to the gulf effort.

https://www.airforce.gov.au/aircraft/e-7a-wedgetail

Lowslung 03-30-2026 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4018162)
That's always been the risk for the US of being involved in a major contingency operation (regardless whether you chose the conflict, or it chose you)... the usual suspects on the other side of world might decide to take advantage of the situation while you're distracted.

Yes we plan for that as well. Immediately post cold war, the force structure plan was to be able to fight two such conflicts at once.

After enough drawdown, the philosophy shifted to "Fight One, Hold One". Idea being fight one conflict to a suitable resolution while preventing the other enemy from winning. Then shift forces from the first conflict to the second. Sounds challenging, and yes it is.

But in this case China is *very* deliberate about how they proceed.

1. They *really* like to watch, learn and take notes when we engage in major operations. As opposed to going off half-cocked on their end.

2. They like to do things on their own timeline, and they think long-term.

So I don't think they're going to start a war just because something else popped off on our end.

Now that's not absolutely saying that they might not have a plan ready, and their Go Criteria *requires* us to be involved elsewhere. Or even hypothetically that they arrange for the distraction to go down. But no sign of that in this case, I suspect this was probably instigated by IL one way or another.


Well aware of the 2 major war strategy. It finally got phased out shortly after I was commissioned as we came to terms with post Cold War budget realities. I think there has been a major sea change WRT the “military industrial complex” over the last 2 decades or so. It used to be that companies like Boeing would spend as much time looking at threats and requirements as their uniformed planner counterparts. Hell, the KC-135 was designed and prototyped well before DoD put out a request for proposals. Defense companies at least publicly acknowledged that it was part of their charge to help defend the nation, even if General Eisenhower’s thoughts on the industry were beginning to prove prescient. Today, they don’t even pretend. Oh, you wanted the cameras on the KC-46 to actually work in all lighting conditions? That’ll be another billion please. Meanwhile, we are rapidly entering an era where our enemies can rapidly adapt and cheaply and quickly produce weapons that take full advantages of our weaknesses. If the Iranians have managed to get inside our OODA loop, you can bet your speedjeans that the Chinese are way out in front of them. Whether or not the Chinese choose to act when we’re bogged down somewhere else, it has become readily apparent that we are no where near ready for future conflicts. And I’ve heard very little from any politician or candidate of any stripe about how we’re going to go about fixing that. Just like GWOT, spending billions on the operational costs of war while wearing out people and equipment, all the while neglecting real modernization or focusing on developing tactics of the future, is going to come back to bite us.

MaxQ 03-30-2026 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Lowslung (Post 4018279)
Well aware of the 2 major war strategy. It finally got phased out shortly after I was commissioned as we came to terms with post Cold War budget realities. I think there has been a major sea change WRT the “military industrial complex” over the last 2 decades or so. It used to be that companies like Boeing would spend as much time looking at threats and requirements as their uniformed planner counterparts. Hell, the KC-135 was designed and prototyped well before DoD put out a request for proposals. Defense companies at least publicly acknowledged that it was part of their charge to help defend the nation, even if General Eisenhower’s thoughts on the industry were beginning to prove prescient. Today, they don’t even pretend. Oh, you wanted the cameras on the KC-46 to actually work in all lighting conditions? That’ll be another billion please. Meanwhile, we are rapidly entering an era where our enemies can rapidly adapt and cheaply and quickly produce weapons that take full advantages of our weaknesses. If the Iranians have managed to get inside our OODA loop, you can bet your speedjeans that the Chinese are way out in front of them. Whether or not the Chinese choose to act when we’re bogged down somewhere else, it has become readily apparent that we are no where near ready for future conflicts. And I’ve heard very little from any politician or candidate of any stripe about how we’re going to go about fixing that. Just like GWOT, spending billions on the operational costs of war while wearing out people and equipment, all the while neglecting real modernization or focusing on developing tactics of the future, is going to come back to bite us.

Superb post.
Concise and to the point.

DeltaboundRedux 03-30-2026 06:42 PM

Interesting read by United CEO saying "some airlines may not survive" (with caveats) with where oil prices are headed.

Demand is still strong though.

Budget airlines face headwinds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/us/tra...-b2947727.html

AAdvocate 03-31-2026 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 4018334)
Interesting read by United CEO saying "some airlines may not survive" (with caveats) with where oil prices are headed.

Demand is still strong though.

Budget airlines face headwinds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/us/tra...-b2947727.html

That bonehead is always yapping about other airlines going out of business. What a buffoon.

rickair7777 03-31-2026 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Lowslung (Post 4018279)
Well aware of the 2 major war strategy. It finally got phased out shortly after I was commissioned as we came to terms with post Cold War budget realities. I think there has been a major sea change WRT the “military industrial complex” over the last 2 decades or so. It used to be that companies like Boeing would spend as much time looking at threats and requirements as their uniformed planner counterparts. Hell, the KC-135 was designed and prototyped well before DoD put out a request for proposals. Defense companies at least publicly acknowledged that it was part of their charge to help defend the nation, even if General Eisenhower’s thoughts on the industry were beginning to prove prescient. Today, they don’t even pretend. Oh, you wanted the cameras on the KC-46 to actually work in all lighting conditions? That’ll be another billion please. Meanwhile, we are rapidly entering an era where our enemies can rapidly adapt and cheaply and quickly produce weapons that take full advantages of our weaknesses. If the Iranians have managed to get inside our OODA loop, you can bet your speedjeans that the Chinese are way out in front of them. Whether or not the Chinese choose to act when we’re bogged down somewhere else, it has become readily apparent that we are no where near ready for future conflicts. And I’ve heard very little from any politician or candidate of any stripe about how we’re going to go about fixing that. Just like GWOT, spending billions on the operational costs of war while wearing out people and equipment, all the while neglecting real modernization or focusing on developing tactics of the future, is going to come back to bite us.

Could be.

But it depends. Mil procurement is inherently wasteful, but with congress throwing a trillion $ per year at it the uniformed leaders (if they have some competence) should be able to distill *some* quality goods and services out of the inherently wasteful process. I don't really expect a three star to fix a process that existed before he was born, involves congress, the industrial complex, and the revolving door. But I do expect him to ensure that his stovepipe equities are functional, despite the system. For example, several uniformed leaders pushed back against boeing on the KC-46, and they pushed hard.

WRT to PRC, I think the trick is to not exhaust and deplete capabilities and munitions inventory below a certain point on other adventures... so as to not tempt the PRC too much. Of course that's up to the administration, and this one seems to like his adventures.

Also unlike some talking heads, I'm not convinced that PRC will actually attempt to seize (or blockade) TW, even if the conditions seem more favorable than usual...

1. Invasion of TW is a *very* hard thing to accomplish (too many reasons to list here).

2. Blockade probably only works if the US lets it happen. The entire PLA navy wouldn't be enough to blockade TW while they're getting hunted by numerous US SSN's. Surface warships normally evade subs by staying very mobile... but that's not how blockades work.

3. PRC has observed the global allergic reaction to RU's UA excursion... the backlash was worse than they had hoped (worse than many even in the west had expected).

They have also observed RU's military flail miserably for years against an opponent that they were expected to roll up in a few weeks. They have then watched us demonstrate that we still know how to exert multi-domain combat power on the other side of our world.


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