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ThumbsUp 05-11-2026 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4034621)
A deal made after two 8 yr predecessors did not. It would NOT have led to a nuke already, that is pure falsehood. The billion in cash was already THEIR money. And you’re going to have to show evidence that cash was trailed to make EFP IEDs that maimed and killed our boys. And what boys? Iran didn’t kill any US soldier recently until after Feb 28. And the 6 that died in the same day was a midair collision, not Iranian military action that shot them down.

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Iran increased its support for DA terrorism as well as through its proxies following the passage of the JCPOA. This isn’t a secret.

Hubcapped 05-11-2026 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4034500)
Europe is free to step up. Ohh wait, they can't. Two decades of Left/Socialist policies have left them economically and politically crippled. They are become more irrelevant by the year.

the eu is our largest trading partner lol……. Maybe read a bit and not just watch your partisan reels to get your information

AAdvocate 05-11-2026 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034663)
the eu is our largest trading partner lol……. Maybe read a bit and not just watch your partisan reels to get your information

Is this a poor attempt at a strawman? Just because Europe is ruining itself from the inside doesn't mean I hope for it to happen. A strong Europe is great for the U.S. but their own policies have made them weak. I have no control over that. I can only serve and vote in the United States.

DeltaboundRedux 05-11-2026 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 4034506)
Do you not know who Robert Kagan is?
Are you unfamiliar with his writings and what he is known for?

Americans don't understand power and influence.

You vote? How sweet. Here's a lolly pop. Your vote is exactly equal to those of the 54% or so of Americans who read below a 6th grade level. 20% are functionally illiterate.

The Kagan Clan understands how power and influence works. As does the Kristol clan.

(Despise them both. But I don't understand power or influence either, so I guess this is what we get)

rickair7777 05-11-2026 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4034656)
By the way, “they” needs to be a distinction between the military of Iran, versus civilian airliner who has nothing to do with the nonsense going on in the SOH.

They literally flew right into it. The IR government let them do it. No sympathy.

The FAA would have closed any such airspace to US aircraft.


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4034656)
The Americans had access to flight schedule pamphlets, a screen that showed the airplane clearly climbing away at 250 knots, not diving. And no, they weren’t monitoring 121.5. Bandar Abbas to Dubai is a short flight. Radio #2 would have have been busy getting weather, company ops, in range, etc. Not to mention, the F14 was not a carrier/destroyer attack aircraft with how they had them equipped.

Monday morning QB is easy, especially when you have the enemy talking points and no combat experience and no military experience.


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4034656)
But “fog of war” are some (not all) of a certain type of person I see in my CCW class. The ones who are sprung and ready, literally looking for a reason to shoot and legally kill someone.

Are we talking about a road-raging redneck in a pickup truck? Or geoplitical affairs?

ShyGuy 05-11-2026 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4034660)
Iran increased its support for DA terrorism as well as through its proxies following the passage of the JCPOA. This isn’t a secret.

It ended in 2018. So what are you referring to? “Iran attacks via proxies” is a trending term on podcasts and right wing media. Weird how that works.

ShyGuy 05-11-2026 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4034690)
They literally flew right into it. The IR government let them do it. No sympathy.

The FAA would have closed any such airspace to US aircraft.

In late 80s? Doubtful.

And “they” did not know of the escalation down there. Chasing down small boats against orders is not something that was anticipated.


Monday morning QB is easy, especially when you have the enemy talking points and no combat experience and no military experience.
Thats a cop out answer.



Are we talking about a road-raging redneck in a pickup truck? Or geoplitical affairs?
Both.

Name User 05-11-2026 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4034647)
Yes CA politicians absolutely created a fuel shortage (all the ones we care about gas, diesel, kerosene).

And now they get to blame it on DJT, just in time for the midterms. Not sure why he didn't let them lie in the bed they made for a while and do Iran after midterms :confused:

Weird, there was no shortage before bombs started dropping.

It actually is Trumps fault my dude. Anyone who cannot see that truly needs to turn off Fox.

John Carr 05-11-2026 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 4034506)
Do you not know who Robert Kagan is?
Are you unfamiliar with his writings and what he is known for?

Yeah, a guy that supported the Iraq war and doubled down later to increase troop levels

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-iraq-war.html

Just as an example of one easily findable article.

Weird, his wiki seems to omit such things.....

ThumbsUp 05-11-2026 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4034694)
It ended in 2018. So what are you referring to? “Iran attacks via proxies” is a trending term on podcasts and right wing media. Weird how that works.

So you are saying that Iran hasn’t trained Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis and others for decades? And by after the JCPOA, I’m talking about 2015-18 while it was in effect. I know…crazy what happens when you release billions to a terrorist regime.


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