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John Carr 04-12-2026 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 4022640)
The following is from the book "Evil in Modern Thought" by Susan Neiman. (page228)

"For nothing works so well in getting someone to give up a position as making him feel ashamed of it."

Epic quote.

Amazing how that sentiment was used during the time/era we were entering into about this time 6 years ago.

Just guilt/shame people into doing certain things and behaving certain ways.........

Judge Smails 04-12-2026 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4022635)
Iraq and Afghanistan would have never happened without 9/11. 9/11 occurred directly as a result of 8 years of horrible and weak foreign policy under Clinton. OBL should have been taken out in the mid-90s.

Clinton did attempt to take out OBL in the late-90’s. He was pretty open about the fact that he tried and failed. He was too concerned with collateral damage. During the transition period to the GWB presidency, the incoming administration was briefed and warned that Al-Qaeda was the most urgent threat to US national security. Bush did nothing until it was too late.

John Carr 04-12-2026 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 4022652)
Clinton did attempt to take out OBL in the late-90’s. He was pretty open about the fact that he tried and failed. He was too concerned with collateral damage.

Please elaborate on “attempts”? There were multiple times where there was credible intelligence of UBL’s location, but to state attempted to is a stretch.

It’s all in the 9/11 commission report. And likely, a ton more that NEVER made the report.

As far as “collateral damage” is concerned, that was something a later POTUS cared almost nothing about when it came time to kill HVT’s.

Which is funny, Clinton had ZERO reservations about “accidentally” bombing a Chinese embassy.

ThumbsUp 04-12-2026 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 4022652)
Clinton did attempt to take out OBL in the late-90’s. He was pretty open about the fact that he tried and failed. He was too concerned with collateral damage. During the transition period to the GWB presidency, the incoming administration was briefed and warned that Al-Qaeda was the most urgent threat to US national security. Bush did nothing until it was too late.

I always wondered how several news agencies—NBC, ABC, Time were able to interview OBL during the Clinton era yet somehow we weren’t able to kill him.



Judge Smails 04-12-2026 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 4022662)
Please elaborate on “attempts”? There were multiple times where there was credible intelligence of UBL’s location, but to state attempted to is a stretch.

It’s all in the 9/11 commission report. And likely, a ton more that NEVER made the report.

As far as “collateral damage” is concerned, that was something a later POTUS cared almost nothing about when it came time to kill HVT’s.

Which is funny, Clinton had ZERO reservations about “accidentally” bombing a Chinese embassy.

  • 1998 Operation: Following the U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Clinton authorized strikes against bin Laden. Missiles aimed at a camp in Afghanistan hit only an hour or so after bin Laden had departed.
  • December 1998 Strike Rejection: Intelligence indicated bin Laden was staying at a governor's residence in Kandahar. Clinton did not authorize the strike because it would have required destroying a town and potentially killing 300 innocent women and children, which he deemed unacceptable.
  • 1999–2000 Attempts: Efforts were made in Afghanistan to target bin Laden following the bombings of the USS Cole and other targets, but these failed.
There is also zero proof the embassy bombing was deliberately done. Clinton was a lot of things, but committing reckless acts of war is not on the list.

John Carr 04-12-2026 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 4022675)
  • 1998 Operation: Following the U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Clinton authorized strikes against bin Laden. Missiles aimed at a camp in Afghanistan hit only an hour or so after bin Laden had departed.
  • December 1998 Strike Rejection: Intelligence indicated bin Laden was staying at a governor's residence in Kandahar. Clinton did not authorize the strike because it would have required destroying a town and potentially killing 300 innocent women and children, which he deemed unacceptable.
  • 1999–2000 Attempts: Efforts were made in Afghanistan to target bin Laden following the bombings of the USS Cole and other targets, but these failed.

So, 1 out of them the missiles were launched.

An "effort to target" isn't an attempt. Unless the team is launched and comes up a dry hole, or the missiles are launched and they escape, that's not an attempt.


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 4022675)
There is also zero proof the embassy bombing was deliberately done. Clinton was a lot of things, but committing reckless acts of war is not on the list.

He didn't sexual relations with that woman either......

Google "Bill Clinton war crimes", you could say it's not really decided either way.

word302 04-12-2026 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4022683)
funny story.. I flew with a guy who loved Fauci, spent a whole flight bashing DJT… then disclosed he came here illegally from Venezuela… it all made sense.

Most racist bigots at least try and hide it ya know, especially in this profession. Just sayin'.

ThumbsUp 04-12-2026 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4022677)
They don't. That's just what your poor media diet tells you. I'm not going to comment on the rest so I don't get banned.

Wanting open borders may not be the same as willful failure to enforce immigration laws, but it’s pretty adjacent.


METO Guido 04-12-2026 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4022693)
nobody in my family, parents, Aunts, cousins (nurse and anesthesiologist), kids are vaccinated. Nobody had the Vid more than once while I watched coworkers get it multiple times a year .

What booster are we up to?

Lost count? Every permitted prick since serum approval. No Covid, no flu. But this last pop, sat me & wife down hard for 2 days starting day 2. Both of us Medicare.

Extenda 04-12-2026 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4022688)
The other guy mentioned “brown” people which nobody had ever said til about 4 yrs ago. Who the hell calls anyone “brown”? What is a brown person? Where are they from?

Well back on topic… any furloughs or $150 oil yet?

dude you’re a trip. Why do you feel the need to defend “your side” so aggressively? Like I want profit sharing and to not dump an increasing amount of my paycheck into a federal government black hole that I get nothing out of. That’s my relationship with whoever is leading the federal government. At best these people can keep some kind of a status quo (possibly doomed) ship moving in kind of a reasonable direction. At worst you have…well…this.

It’s like you have some weird parasocial relationship with the president. Dude he loathes you and me. We’re unionized worker bees who have the audacity to fight for our piece of the pie. Why are you carrying his water all the time? Can you critique him on a single point? Is he some kind of god to you?

I mean all this in the nicest possible way, it’s just so strange to me seeing people just so all in on one particular “side”.


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