NWA Pilots
08-10-2007, 06:25 PM
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NWA Pilots
My father is a retired NWA pilot and i am considering coming to work for NWA or Compass. I interview with Compass on AUG 20th and i am wondering what the feeling is about this new airline amoungst current NWA pilots? In your opinion do you feel Compass pilots are stealing your jobs? It is not my intention to harm any Northwest pilots. Some people will sell their souls for a good opportuniy but I have no interest in doing so. Your input would be greatly apperciated.
08-10-2007, 06:47 PM
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Dudes,
This will more than likely be the plane to replace the DC-9 at NWA. The contract has specific language regarding a 100 seat aircraft (note the article mentions the plane is 100+). The pay rate for the 100 seater in the contract is much much much less than the DC-9. The DC-9 had a capacity of about 75 or so in the DC-9 10 version, the DC-9 30 carries about 106 if I remember correctly (these are both with first class configurations). What I wonder is why the reduction in pay for an aircraft with similar capacity. The DC-9 replacement and pay rate as well as with the pull back in the amount of 319 and 320 (about 20 slated to be turned back due to lease agreements or some other reasons) is one of the reason I have moved on from NWA and to a different carrier. I understand morale is pretty bad as well. Good luck.
Here is the article:
FAA certifies Embraer 195
Charlie Lunan
8/10/2007
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued the type certificate for the EMBRAER 195 jet, the capstone of its 70-to-100 strategy.
The largest aircraft ever produced by Embraer was certified by its native Brazilian National Civil Aviation Agency and the European Aviation Safety Agency last year.
"With the FAA certificate for the EMBRAER 195, all four E-Jets are now certified by the world's three main aviation safety agencies," said Mauro Kern, Embraer Executive Vice President, Airline Market.
The EMB 195 has a maximum seating capacity of 122 passengers, a range of up to 2,200 nautical miles (4,077 km), and burns up to 45% less fuel than previous jet generations.
Embraer's other E-Jets - the E-170, E-175 and E-190 - carry from 70 to 114 passengers, a segment Embraer is convinced will outgrow all others as airlines replace aging aircraft, downsize to smaller jets on underperforming routes and expand into mid-sized markets as low cost carriers. The company forecasts that 70-110 seat jets will respresent 47 percent of its deliveries over the next 20 years.
JetBlue now flies 25 of Embrear's next smallest E-Jet, the EMB 190. US Airways flies two.
Cheers
Rosie
This will more than likely be the plane to replace the DC-9 at NWA. The contract has specific language regarding a 100 seat aircraft (note the article mentions the plane is 100+). The pay rate for the 100 seater in the contract is much much much less than the DC-9. The DC-9 had a capacity of about 75 or so in the DC-9 10 version, the DC-9 30 carries about 106 if I remember correctly (these are both with first class configurations). What I wonder is why the reduction in pay for an aircraft with similar capacity. The DC-9 replacement and pay rate as well as with the pull back in the amount of 319 and 320 (about 20 slated to be turned back due to lease agreements or some other reasons) is one of the reason I have moved on from NWA and to a different carrier. I understand morale is pretty bad as well. Good luck.
Here is the article:
FAA certifies Embraer 195
Charlie Lunan
8/10/2007
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued the type certificate for the EMBRAER 195 jet, the capstone of its 70-to-100 strategy.
The largest aircraft ever produced by Embraer was certified by its native Brazilian National Civil Aviation Agency and the European Aviation Safety Agency last year.
"With the FAA certificate for the EMBRAER 195, all four E-Jets are now certified by the world's three main aviation safety agencies," said Mauro Kern, Embraer Executive Vice President, Airline Market.
The EMB 195 has a maximum seating capacity of 122 passengers, a range of up to 2,200 nautical miles (4,077 km), and burns up to 45% less fuel than previous jet generations.
Embraer's other E-Jets - the E-170, E-175 and E-190 - carry from 70 to 114 passengers, a segment Embraer is convinced will outgrow all others as airlines replace aging aircraft, downsize to smaller jets on underperforming routes and expand into mid-sized markets as low cost carriers. The company forecasts that 70-110 seat jets will respresent 47 percent of its deliveries over the next 20 years.
JetBlue now flies 25 of Embrear's next smallest E-Jet, the EMB 190. US Airways flies two.
Cheers
Rosie
08-10-2007, 07:25 PM
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I guess I don't understand why anyone would want to go to compass to be treated the way NWA treats all their employees and regional carriers, make crap money to fly airplanes that are essentially replacing the workhorse of the mainline fleet little by little, only to flow to mainline to make more crappy money and be treated like crap some more. Well I guess if you're used to being kicked in the head in the mud with an iron boot then it's ok.....
08-10-2007, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by careerpilot
My father is a retired NWA pilot and i am considering coming to work for NWA or Compass. I interview with Compass on AUG 20th and i am wondering what the feeling is about this new airline amoungst current NWA pilots? In your opinion do you feel Compass pilots are stealing your jobs? It is not my intention to harm any Northwest pilots. Some people will sell their souls for a good opportuniy but I have no interest in doing so. Your input would be greatly apperciated.
I guess what I am saying is if you want to do what many will tell you to do then you will need to quit your regional job and wait to apply to a major until they are paying 300,000 a year. Even if it takes 15 years.
I don't think any pilots I know today want to hurt any other pilot group.
08-10-2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rosie
Dudes,
This will more than likely be the plane to replace the DC-9 at NWA. The contract has specific language regarding a 100 seat aircraft (note the article mentions the plane is 100+). The pay rate for the 100 seater in the contract is much much much less than the DC-9. The DC-9 had a capacity of about 75 or so in the DC-9 10 version, the DC-9 30 carries about 106 if I remember correctly (these are both with first class configurations). What I wonder is why the reduction in pay for an aircraft with similar capacity. The DC-9 replacement and pay rate as well as with the pull back in the amount of 319 and 320 (about 20 slated to be turned back due to lease agreements or some other reasons) is one of the reason I have moved on from NWA and to a different carrier. I understand morale is pretty bad as well. Good luck.
Here is the article:
FAA certifies Embraer 195
Charlie Lunan
8/10/2007
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued the type certificate for the EMBRAER 195 jet, the capstone of its 70-to-100 strategy.
The largest aircraft ever produced by Embraer was certified by its native Brazilian National Civil Aviation Agency and the European Aviation Safety Agency last year.
"With the FAA certificate for the EMBRAER 195, all four E-Jets are now certified by the world's three main aviation safety agencies," said Mauro Kern, Embraer Executive Vice President, Airline Market.
The EMB 195 has a maximum seating capacity of 122 passengers, a range of up to 2,200 nautical miles (4,077 km), and burns up to 45% less fuel than previous jet generations.
Embraer's other E-Jets - the E-170, E-175 and E-190 - carry from 70 to 114 passengers, a segment Embraer is convinced will outgrow all others as airlines replace aging aircraft, downsize to smaller jets on underperforming routes and expand into mid-sized markets as low cost carriers. The company forecasts that 70-110 seat jets will respresent 47 percent of its deliveries over the next 20 years.
JetBlue now flies 25 of Embrear's next smallest E-Jet, the EMB 190. US Airways flies two.
Cheers
Rosie
This will more than likely be the plane to replace the DC-9 at NWA. The contract has specific language regarding a 100 seat aircraft (note the article mentions the plane is 100+). The pay rate for the 100 seater in the contract is much much much less than the DC-9. The DC-9 had a capacity of about 75 or so in the DC-9 10 version, the DC-9 30 carries about 106 if I remember correctly (these are both with first class configurations). What I wonder is why the reduction in pay for an aircraft with similar capacity. The DC-9 replacement and pay rate as well as with the pull back in the amount of 319 and 320 (about 20 slated to be turned back due to lease agreements or some other reasons) is one of the reason I have moved on from NWA and to a different carrier. I understand morale is pretty bad as well. Good luck.
Here is the article:
FAA certifies Embraer 195
Charlie Lunan
8/10/2007
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued the type certificate for the EMBRAER 195 jet, the capstone of its 70-to-100 strategy.
The largest aircraft ever produced by Embraer was certified by its native Brazilian National Civil Aviation Agency and the European Aviation Safety Agency last year.
"With the FAA certificate for the EMBRAER 195, all four E-Jets are now certified by the world's three main aviation safety agencies," said Mauro Kern, Embraer Executive Vice President, Airline Market.
The EMB 195 has a maximum seating capacity of 122 passengers, a range of up to 2,200 nautical miles (4,077 km), and burns up to 45% less fuel than previous jet generations.
Embraer's other E-Jets - the E-170, E-175 and E-190 - carry from 70 to 114 passengers, a segment Embraer is convinced will outgrow all others as airlines replace aging aircraft, downsize to smaller jets on underperforming routes and expand into mid-sized markets as low cost carriers. The company forecasts that 70-110 seat jets will respresent 47 percent of its deliveries over the next 20 years.
JetBlue now flies 25 of Embrear's next smallest E-Jet, the EMB 190. US Airways flies two.
Cheers
Rosie
The contract that was put in place by the NWA union for CMP is not a bare bones contract by any means. I would venture to say that it is above many contracts that have been worked on for more than a decade. I think for a first contract that was put in place before proving runs were finished, it is right up there with the best. Can anyone name another carrier that had a better contract in place before their service started.
CMP is not perfect, but what carrier is?
08-10-2007, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
CMP is not perfect, but what carrier is?
I have jumpseated on NWA a bunch of times (and am grateful for the courtesy of their jumpseat), and I have observed that the morale is pretty low and the mistrust of Streeland and his band of merry man is pretty high. As a newhire at any airline, the length of the honeymoon period is strongly influenced by the atmosphere.
Just my two cents, your mileage may vary.
FF
08-10-2007, 11:53 PM
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CMP is not perfect, but what carrier is? 
Fellas, it is this kind of thinking that is killing us and the industry as a whole. The thrust of this silly statement is: My company (or that company) $ucks but every other one does too and there is nothing I can do about it, so I should just accept it.
Ridiculous. Spineless. Just what they want you to think and how they'd love for you to act--supine! Sickening
You can do something about it--don't go to these terrible outfits. Don't enable $h _ _ty managers like the thieves at Northwest to treat you like the dirt they think you are. No pilots means no airline, it's very simple. There will always be someone tempted to fly for less, just because it is a jet. Don't do it--you're hurting all of us and yourself down the road.
Now, the young man's original question was to go or not to go. Someone in a later post said it best. You can climb hard through the mud of Compass and while doing so, you are helping to erode Northwest from the bottom. Isn't this the place you want to (or are thinking of wanting to) be in the end? Think about it. They will be replacing the DC-9 with the E-175 or whatever and you'll be flying it. There will be no 9 for you to go to. You'll have very limited flowup agreements because the Northwest MEC will be trying to protect their current guys with the flowdown agreement so they can start eroding their own jobs so they can get back to living on a 320. It is a vicious circle over there. You'll be stuck on the backside of the power curve and never moving. Go fly at a good corporate gig and then come back at it. Unless you are comfortable living at home or flying 100 hours a month, it isn't fun flying for a regional carrier. The cities bite and the flight attendants don't make it worth it. Oh, and the public couldn't care less about how hard or glamorous you think your job is.
Don't even get me started on what Northwest will look like when they merge with Delta. It's going to happen boys. Other than fleet compatibility issues, that idea likely has legs and when it does, that _ss of a CEO they have at Compass will sell the thing off for scrap in order to make a bunch of cash, make himself look like a hero, become the CEO of NWA and then eventually parlay that into a CO-CEO of the merged company to make even more money as the eventual winner. How many regional carriers would a merged NWA-DAL need? Not as many as they have right now. Think it can't happen? Ask any of the MidAtlantic guys what they think of him. How do you think he got to Northwest in the first place? He successfully steered USAir into the tank, sold off their parts, and then presto, CFO of Northwest, CEO of Compass and where next? Follow the money boys.
So, the answer to the question is stay away from a sinking ship.
P.S.--I have no axe to grind on NWA, I just think they (management) don't deserve two $hi_s worth of anyone's blood, sweat, and tears. Complete idiots who deserve nothing other than a swift kick in the nads and then another one when they're down. I have an intense loathing of them is all. They've ruined a once fine company and I'm sure the young man's father is none too happy about.
WM
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Fellas, it is this kind of thinking that is killing us and the industry as a whole. The thrust of this silly statement is: My company (or that company) $ucks but every other one does too and there is nothing I can do about it, so I should just accept it.
Ridiculous. Spineless. Just what they want you to think and how they'd love for you to act--supine! Sickening
You can do something about it--don't go to these terrible outfits. Don't enable $h _ _ty managers like the thieves at Northwest to treat you like the dirt they think you are. No pilots means no airline, it's very simple. There will always be someone tempted to fly for less, just because it is a jet. Don't do it--you're hurting all of us and yourself down the road.
Now, the young man's original question was to go or not to go. Someone in a later post said it best. You can climb hard through the mud of Compass and while doing so, you are helping to erode Northwest from the bottom. Isn't this the place you want to (or are thinking of wanting to) be in the end? Think about it. They will be replacing the DC-9 with the E-175 or whatever and you'll be flying it. There will be no 9 for you to go to. You'll have very limited flowup agreements because the Northwest MEC will be trying to protect their current guys with the flowdown agreement so they can start eroding their own jobs so they can get back to living on a 320. It is a vicious circle over there. You'll be stuck on the backside of the power curve and never moving. Go fly at a good corporate gig and then come back at it. Unless you are comfortable living at home or flying 100 hours a month, it isn't fun flying for a regional carrier. The cities bite and the flight attendants don't make it worth it. Oh, and the public couldn't care less about how hard or glamorous you think your job is.
Don't even get me started on what Northwest will look like when they merge with Delta. It's going to happen boys. Other than fleet compatibility issues, that idea likely has legs and when it does, that _ss of a CEO they have at Compass will sell the thing off for scrap in order to make a bunch of cash, make himself look like a hero, become the CEO of NWA and then eventually parlay that into a CO-CEO of the merged company to make even more money as the eventual winner. How many regional carriers would a merged NWA-DAL need? Not as many as they have right now. Think it can't happen? Ask any of the MidAtlantic guys what they think of him. How do you think he got to Northwest in the first place? He successfully steered USAir into the tank, sold off their parts, and then presto, CFO of Northwest, CEO of Compass and where next? Follow the money boys.
So, the answer to the question is stay away from a sinking ship.
P.S.--I have no axe to grind on NWA, I just think they (management) don't deserve two $hi_s worth of anyone's blood, sweat, and tears. Complete idiots who deserve nothing other than a swift kick in the nads and then another one when they're down. I have an intense loathing of them is all. They've ruined a once fine company and I'm sure the young man's father is none too happy about.
WM
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08-11-2007, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
Everyone realizes that CMP doesn't fly EMB 195 or 190's right? Jet Blue yes but CMP no. CMP will be flying 76 seat aircraft...the EMB 175. The same number of seats as the Mesaba CRJ 900's. Why are we not yelling about Mesaba? How about all those 175's at RAH that work under U.S. Airways with 86 seats. I don't think having larger aircraft at the regionals is a good idea any more than the next guy but I am just pointing out that there are Alot of 70+ seat aircraft operating at the regionals today.
The contract that was put in place by the NWA union for CMP is not a bare bones contract by any means. I would venture to say that it is above many contracts that have been worked on for more than a decade. I think for a first contract that was put in place before proving runs were finished, it is right up there with the best. Can anyone name another carrier that had a better contract in place before their service started.
CMP is not perfect, but what carrier is?
The contract that was put in place by the NWA union for CMP is not a bare bones contract by any means. I would venture to say that it is above many contracts that have been worked on for more than a decade. I think for a first contract that was put in place before proving runs were finished, it is right up there with the best. Can anyone name another carrier that had a better contract in place before their service started.
CMP is not perfect, but what carrier is?
All that being said....if I lived in MSP DTW or MEM I would consider NWA to save the pains of commuting. It just bothers me to get slightly better than RJ wages to fly an aircraft the size of one I previously had flown (DC-9). I aslo see a lot of bottom stagnation at NWA with the narrow bodies being reduced and CMP/PNCL/Mesaba picking up the flying.
Good Luck
Rosie
08-11-2007, 06:01 PM
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Things are starting to pick up a little. Those who were furloughed once are within 50 spots for the left seat. Anyone who is comming back can at least hold right seat of the 320 on reserve.
Not great. But, not stagnate (for the moment).
Not great. But, not stagnate (for the moment).
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