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A320fumes 10-20-2007 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by CRFguy (Post 250354)
I would've followed that guy to his hotel and gagged him with my blue uniform. *joke*

I'd certainly deny a scab the j/s , company constraints allowing, but I'd deny the jumpseat to ANYONE who was not respectful of me or ANY of my crew.

btwissel 10-20-2007 01:22 PM

if they use the callsign "lindburgh" they ain't riding my airplane.

Nashmd11 10-20-2007 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 250296)
I would simply say that it's the Captains discretion to extend the privilege and courtesy of riding in the cockpit jumpseat.

NOT at UPS!!!!!!!
The lead councel of the FAA has told us the Captain must take UPS pilots regardless. If you don't, you will be doing a carpet dance.

At UPS the company owns the Jumpseat, not the Captain. And the FAA has supported UPS on this!!!!!!!!!!!

So much for Captains Authority. The FAA supports the Airlines, not the Regulations.

CRFguy 10-20-2007 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by A320fumes (Post 250358)
I'd certainly deny a scab the j/s , company constraints allowing, but I'd deny the jumpseat to ANYONE who was not respectful of me or ANY of my crew.

And you should.

Why make a fellow pilot move out of FC? That's childish, can't believe a PIC would pull that kind of crap.

7576FO 10-20-2007 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Nashmd11 (Post 250361)
NOT at UPS!!!!!!!
The lead councel of the FAA has told us the Captain must take UPS pilots regardless. If you don't, you will be doing a carpet dance.

At UPS the company owns the Jumpseat, not the Captain. And the FAA has supported UPS on this!!!!!!!!!!!

So much for Captains Authority. The FAA supports the Airlines, not the Regulations.

Huh? Why would the FAA have anything to say about jumpseats?

ranger3484 10-20-2007 02:21 PM

What's a SCAB?
 
What's a SCAB? And what's the CASS database?

Jetjok 10-20-2007 03:42 PM

If you don't know, then maybe you shouldn't.

Fins Up 10-20-2007 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by ranger3484 (Post 250381)
What's a SCAB? And what's the CASS database?

As I understand it, a true scab is someone who has crossed a picket line or flown work that their pilot brothers would not fly due to ...let's call it negotiations... with the company.

CASS is the Cockpit Access...something something database which verifies a pilot's credentials so that he or she may ride in the cockpit or cabin jumpseat on another airline.

Not exact definitions but close enough.

notadog 10-20-2007 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Nashmd11 (Post 250361)
NOT at UPS!!!!!!!
The lead councel of the FAA has told us the Captain must take UPS pilots regardless. If you don't, you will be doing a carpet dance.

At UPS the company owns the Jumpseat, not the Captain. And the FAA has supported UPS on this!!!!!!!!!!!

So much for Captains Authority. The FAA supports the Airlines, not the Regulations.

Why don't you tell the whole story. The company convinced the FAA (correctly) that crews were using the jumpseats to pressure the company during negotiations. The FAA refused to get involved, other than making it clear that this was not appropriate.

Captains authority is alive and well at UPS, unless you are a weenie, in which case you never had it anyway.

Nashmd11 10-20-2007 05:04 PM

Your the weenie. You must be a new hire manager. Capt. authority is not alive and well. So dont lie. The only way a Captain can deny the J/S is to have a SAFETY reason!!! This is what is written from the Company and the FAA.

So the Captain at UPS does not have control of his jumpseat. At this time we are not in Contract Talks- So why is this still written. And why does the FAA still support this language? Read the FAR's. The FAA Counsel has totally disregarded the Reg. And we will win this in the future.

Weenie-


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