View Poll Results: would you deny the j/s?
Yes I would deny a J/S to a non-scab list pilot.
43
18.53%
No, I would only deny an official scab list pilot.
189
81.47%
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Denying Jump seat.. a poll.
10-31-2007 | 06:24 AM
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From: FAR part 347 (91+121+135)
ive needed a ride home before and GJ was flying it, I found an alternative method of getting home. i absolutely refuse to ride on them. im not in the position to have the authority to say whether or not a scab goes with us. but if i did, they wouldn't, whether or not ALPA views them as scabs, i.e. GJ
i dont really understand why people don't get the thought process behind denying these pilots. we all want better pay, work rules, and overall QOL, and we take the necessary actions to do so as a group. when certain people turn on the group, they are hurting the entire industry, and we are supposed to help these people by extending them a privilege like j/s'ing? i dont think so!
i dont really understand why people don't get the thought process behind denying these pilots. we all want better pay, work rules, and overall QOL, and we take the necessary actions to do so as a group. when certain people turn on the group, they are hurting the entire industry, and we are supposed to help these people by extending them a privilege like j/s'ing? i dont think so!
Be careful what you ask for kid.
10-31-2007 | 07:44 AM
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I have never denied a jumpseat to scab.......However, when SCABS show up we often are below the allowable O2 limit for the extra person in the cockpit or the belts on the jumpseat look frayed and for safetys sake I better have it deffered.
They have never been denied. The problem is there is never a usable seat. Too bad.
They have never been denied. The problem is there is never a usable seat. Too bad.
You make a point and deny a scab the jumpseat. Trust me it will be your friend who is trying to jumpseat on his aircraft next when your buddy is trying to get home on the last flight to see his child on an important day.
10-31-2007 | 07:58 AM
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While I am very anti scab you are only hurting your own.
You make a point and deny a scab the jumpseat. Trust me it will be your friend who is trying to jumpseat on his aircraft next when your buddy is trying to get home on the last flight to see his child on an important day.
You make a point and deny a scab the jumpseat. Trust me it will be your friend who is trying to jumpseat on his aircraft next when your buddy is trying to get home on the last flight to see his child on an important day.
(My bet is they'd hitch a ride regardless of whom was flying).
10-31-2007 | 09:16 AM
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in the end, jump seat is not a place for politics.. it's not only unprofessional, it can hurt you or your good friend later if you're on the wrong side of that political fence.
10-31-2007 | 10:16 AM
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In other industries, crossing a picket line could land you in the hospital or even threaten the safety of your family. I think a true scab getting denied a free ride once in a while is more than reasonable.
10-31-2007 | 10:52 AM
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I disagree. Just because your union doesn't like something and wants to picket does NOT mean that everyone you work with agrees with you. Unions have a mafia mentality. Placing people on a list or denying jumpseats is a scare tactic that makes a lot of people support union causes whether they believe in it or not. I personally have flown with several captains that hate the union and their politics but are afraid to withdraw their membership in fear of retaliation (such as things discussed above).
I am not invloving my beliefs in this post. I am not saying whether I personally agree with union issues or not. All I am saying is that people have a right to make their own choices whether you believe in what they do or not.
I am not invloving my beliefs in this post. I am not saying whether I personally agree with union issues or not. All I am saying is that people have a right to make their own choices whether you believe in what they do or not.
10-31-2007 | 10:55 AM
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10-31-2007 | 11:31 AM
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You're right..........until YOU need a ride, then I'm sure it wouldn't matter one bit if the guy giving YOU the ride was a scab. Be careful what you ask for or do because it could come back to bite you and your carpet dance in front of the CP isn't going to hold much water if you said you denied a guy a ride because he was a scab. JMHO.................. Believe me, I've had a few guys I know that have crossed the picket line and gave me a ride to work. Sorry guys, but I'm not going to miss a trip because a line crosser is flying the plane.
10-31-2007 | 11:36 AM
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You're right..........until YOU need a ride, then I'm sure it wouldn't matter one bit if the guy giving YOU the ride was a scab. Be careful what you ask for or do because it could come back to bite you and your carpet dance in front of the CP isn't going to hold much water if you said you denied a guy a ride because he was a scab. JMHO.................. Believe me, I've had a few guys I know that have crossed the picket line and gave me a ride to work. Sorry guys, but I'm not going to miss a trip because a line crosser is flying the plane.
10-31-2007 | 11:46 AM
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I disagree. Just because your union doesn't like something and wants to picket does NOT mean that everyone you work with agrees with you. Unions have a mafia mentality. Placing people on a list or denying jumpseats is a scare tactic that makes a lot of people support union causes whether they believe in it or not. I personally have flown with several captains that hate the union and their politics but are afraid to withdraw their membership in fear of retaliation (such as things discussed above).
I am not invloving my beliefs in this post. I am not saying whether I personally agree with union issues or not. All I am saying is that people have a right to make their own choices whether you believe in what they do or not.
I am not invloving my beliefs in this post. I am not saying whether I personally agree with union issues or not. All I am saying is that people have a right to make their own choices whether you believe in what they do or not.
Being non-union doesn't make you a scab. Sure, the J/S has been used as a scare tactic during labor negotiations, but the non-union guy isn't necessarily harming the process. The guys who crossed a picket line are the guys most pilots have a problem with. We all know the RLA makes labor actions difficult if not almost impossible. So to have a strike, you have to be in a real bad situation and have a good reason to strike. That stuff isn't just union/management propaganda, it's serious business.
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