SWA to buy Air Tran?
10-26-2007, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SWAcapt
Unfortunately, the gutting didn't work. SWA CASM = 8.8 cents while the average legacy domestic CASM = 14.2 cents. Source; Dan Akins, Airline Industry Analyst.
The other thing is the Legacies cost will ALWAYS be slightly higher than SWA. That's common sense. The figures I see are in the 9-11 range, not 14. At any rate, I have to get ready for work. Take care.
Tom
10-26-2007, 08:10 PM
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10-26-2007, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 328dude
(DAL)
Delta's mainline unit cost (CASM) of 10.13 cents for the third quarter of 2007 represented a slight decrease compared to the third quarter of 2006(4). Excluding expenses from profit sharing, mainline non-fuel CASM was 6.50 cents, a decline of nearly 3%.
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/071016/128735.html
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(UAL)
Mainline cost per available seat miles or CASM increased 1.3% to 11.28 cents from 11.13 cents in the previous-year quarter. Mainline operating cost per available seat mile or CASM excluding fuel and special items increased 5.8% to 7.71 cents from 7.29 cents in the year-ago period.
http://www.quote.com/qc/news/story.a..._10232007_2882
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(AMR)
AMR Consolidated Cost per ASM
Actual Forecast
Apr May Jun 2Q07 2007
AMR Cost per ASM 1/ 11.65 11.57 12.06 11.76 11.76
AMR Cost per ASM (ex-
fuel) 2/ 8.17 7.96 8.34 8.16 8.19
American Mainline Cost per ASM
Actual Forecast
Apr May Jun 2Q07 2007
AA Cost per ASM 1/ 11.03 10.93 11.45 11.14 11.14
AA Cost per ASM (ex-fuel)2/ 7.65 7.44 7.83 7.64 7.67
Note: The increase in ex-fuel CASM versus prior guidance is mostly
attributable to reduced capacity associated with weather related
cancellations April 1 through June 20. During this period,
American Airlines cancelled 1.8 percent of 2Q07's expected
departures due to weather.
http://www.secinfo.com/d4Dc.u1v.htm
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Three months ended Sept.
(LCC)
Cost per available
seat mile (f) 11.11 11.40 (2.6 )
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/071025/lcc10-q.html
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That's it for now, gents. I really do have to get some rest. Take care all.
Tom
10-26-2007, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NGINEWHOISWHAT
The sources I have seen show a much closer casm gap. I have a trip starting tomorrow, so I will have to dig them up when I get back.
The other thing is the Legacies cost will ALWAYS be slightly higher than SWA. That's common sense. The figures I see are in the 9-11 range, not 14. At any rate, I have to get ready for work. Take care.
Tom
The other thing is the Legacies cost will ALWAYS be slightly higher than SWA. That's common sense. The figures I see are in the 9-11 range, not 14. At any rate, I have to get ready for work. Take care.
Tom
10-27-2007, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NGINEWHOISWHAT
All the legacies have been GUTTED to match the cost structure of SWA. I just don't see any a$$ kicking. I'm worried more about the fly-by-nights than SWA.
Tom
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10-27-2007, 08:10 AM
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I have no dog in this fight. SWA is not really on my short list of future employers. But I really admire how they operate. Low CASM, product that is equal to or better than most legacies, simple ticket purchasing, motivated staff at all levels.
The other majors need to look no further than SWA to figure out how to do it.
SWA has figured out that you can lead employees where you want them to go. You cannot push them to go where they don't want to go. You can lead a bunch of cats. But try herding them.
SWA gets it. The other majors don't really get it.
The other majors need to look no further than SWA to figure out how to do it.
SWA has figured out that you can lead employees where you want them to go. You cannot push them to go where they don't want to go. You can lead a bunch of cats. But try herding them.
SWA gets it. The other majors don't really get it.
10-27-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NGINEWHOISWHAT
I admitted I was wrong about ATA. It was late and I was tired. There was an infusion of cash from SWA. Everything else I will have to debate at a later date. I have a trip tomorrow. Before I do go, please clarify the $39.00 fare to L.A. comment. Thanks in advance and take care.
Tom
Tom
Go to Southwest.com and look at the advance fares from SFO to LAX. $39. It's not hard to find $49 advance fares to many other locations.
10-28-2007, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Futureman
He stated that domestic CASM was around 14. Are you looking at domestic CASM for the legacies, or overall CASM?
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