NWA or DAL
12-10-2007, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by freightguy
This is definitely flame-bait...lets not bite...anybody with serious answers??
Not flame. The regionals have been the only sector of the airlines to show any substantial growth and with the continued outsourcing of domestic flying they would provide someone with a secure flying career since the regionals aren't going to go away and they will get bigger jets.
12-10-2007, 05:54 PM
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First, congrats on your job offer at NWA. At least you have "one in the bag"
which is more than most can say. I would go the interview at Delta, but take the first class date you can at NWA. Having worked for both Steenland and Anderson, Anderson is by far the better CEO, I think he actually cares about Delta's brand image instead of just raping the company. NWA's product is crap, they seem to be floating along waiting for the next merger partner, with no thought about its employees. Delta has better duty rigs, NWA lost theirs with the last contract and I don't see them getting them back any time soon. forget the 1.5x over 80, the duty rigs are where it's at.
Delta first, NWA second. I've been gone for a year so I may be wrong, It's a crap shoot anyway.
Good luck
which is more than most can say. I would go the interview at Delta, but take the first class date you can at NWA. Having worked for both Steenland and Anderson, Anderson is by far the better CEO, I think he actually cares about Delta's brand image instead of just raping the company. NWA's product is crap, they seem to be floating along waiting for the next merger partner, with no thought about its employees. Delta has better duty rigs, NWA lost theirs with the last contract and I don't see them getting them back any time soon. forget the 1.5x over 80, the duty rigs are where it's at.
Delta first, NWA second. I've been gone for a year so I may be wrong, It's a crap shoot anyway.
Good luck
12-10-2007, 06:14 PM
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If I had those choices, I would lean toward Delta Airlines. Although NWA has the potential to be a really good airline, right now there are too many 'negatives' IMO... ie payscale, employee management relationship, NWA's long term strategic goal to outsource most of NWA domestic flying(IMHO).....and many of the pilots are just really really bitter (as I am sure I would be if my career was subject to the same turbulence). Although Delta Airlines has had its share of issues, they seem to be less turbulent than NWA in an industry where things are just inherently this way....plus, the pay and the way Delta treats thier pilots is better
12-10-2007, 06:17 PM
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If I had those choices, I would lean toward Delta Airlines. Although NWA has the potential to be a really good airline, right now there are too many 'negatives' IMO... ie payscale, employee management relationship, NWA's long term strategic goal to outsource most of NWA domestic flying(IMHO).....and many of the pilots are just really really bitter (as I am sure I would be if my career was subject to the same turbulence). Although Delta Airlines has had its share of issues, they seem to be less turbulent than NWA in an industry where things are just inherently this way....plus, the pay is better at DAL and they treat their pilots is better. Congrats on the offer and interview...
12-10-2007, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable
Not flame. The regionals have been the only sector of the airlines to show any substantial growth and with the continued outsourcing of domestic flying they would provide someone with a secure flying career since the regionals aren't going to go away and they will get bigger jets.
With oil hovering near $100/barrel let's see if no regionals go away. AA is looking to divest Eagle, CO already did that to ExpressJet and DAL is considering the sale of Comair. The RJs made money when oil was cheap and yields were much higher than they are now. The RJs typically break even between 12-18 cents a seat mile. With yields at 10 cents they lose many every they depart. The RJs I believe will be replaced with larger RJs but many smaller markets will lose service. The turboprops may make a resurgence but there will be regionals that don't make it or are acquired by larger regionals for economies of scale.
Either way they aren't a sure thing. That thinking would have had you riding Enron stock all the way to the end.
12-10-2007, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
FlyByCable,
With oil hovering near $100/barrel let's see if no regionals go away. AA is looking to divest Eagle, CO already did that to ExpressJet and DAL is considering the sale of Comair. The RJs made money when oil was cheap and yields were much higher than they are now. The RJs typically break even between 12-18 cents a seat mile. With yields at 10 cents they lose many every they depart. The RJs I believe will be replaced with larger RJs but many smaller markets will lose service. The turboprops may make a resurgence but there will be regionals that don't make it or are acquired by larger regionals for economies of scale.
Either way they aren't a sure thing. That thinking would have had you riding Enron stock all the way to the end.
With oil hovering near $100/barrel let's see if no regionals go away. AA is looking to divest Eagle, CO already did that to ExpressJet and DAL is considering the sale of Comair. The RJs made money when oil was cheap and yields were much higher than they are now. The RJs typically break even between 12-18 cents a seat mile. With yields at 10 cents they lose many every they depart. The RJs I believe will be replaced with larger RJs but many smaller markets will lose service. The turboprops may make a resurgence but there will be regionals that don't make it or are acquired by larger regionals for economies of scale.
Either way they aren't a sure thing. That thinking would have had you riding Enron stock all the way to the end.
12-10-2007, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable
I'll take you word for the economics. When the larger RJs show up, they will be flow by the regionals.
If you're happy flying around a 70-90 seater the rest of you're life, that's great. The lines already been drawn. If you want a 190 or bigger then start putting out the apps.
12-10-2007, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable
Not flame. The regionals have been the only sector of the airlines to show any substantial growth and with the continued outsourcing of domestic flying they would provide someone with a secure flying career since the regionals aren't going to go away and they will get bigger jets.
ACA/Independace, Air Wisconsin, Expressjet, TSA, American Eagle - in the short past all of those regional airlines haven't exactly been the picture of stability.
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