United Indefinitely Postponing Future Hiring
03-21-2008, 05:22 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
Hi folks,
I had a job offer with United and a class date of May 12.
Today I was called by HR at United saying the April and May classes have been cancelled and the job offer is no longer valid. I asked about future training classes and the answer was "unkown at this time".
Thought I'd pass along the news.
Good luck all. I hope things improve.
Cheers,
Tumbleweed
I had a job offer with United and a class date of May 12.
Today I was called by HR at United saying the April and May classes have been cancelled and the job offer is no longer valid. I asked about future training classes and the answer was "unkown at this time".
Thought I'd pass along the news.
Good luck all. I hope things improve.
Cheers,
Tumbleweed
03-21-2008, 05:32 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
EMBPLT (and Snipe),
Sorry if my post was bad news. No hoax on this end, the phone call actually happened (for me).
Hopefully they will start training again in the fall (fingers crossed).
Snipe, I like your idea of not answering the phone. I wish I had thought of that. Then I would have shown up for my class date and said "Ummm...yeah...I'm here for training..." (and then tried to jump into a sim or refresher class and act like I was supposed to be there- haha!).
Again, good luck all. Let's hope things improve.
Cheers,
Tumbleweed
"Afterburner is a great substitute for poor headwork"
Sorry if my post was bad news. No hoax on this end, the phone call actually happened (for me).
Hopefully they will start training again in the fall (fingers crossed).
Snipe, I like your idea of not answering the phone. I wish I had thought of that. Then I would have shown up for my class date and said "Ummm...yeah...I'm here for training..." (and then tried to jump into a sim or refresher class and act like I was supposed to be there- haha!).
Again, good luck all. Let's hope things improve.
Cheers,
Tumbleweed
"Afterburner is a great substitute for poor headwork"
Last edited by Andy; 03-21-2008 at 07:27 AM.
03-21-2008, 05:41 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by jsled
My point Andy, is 250M that went to shareholders could have went toward more debt reduction or more cash on hand. Why does Cal have 3 year captains and a/c on order? Why does DAL have 22 a/c scheduled for delivery in the next 2 years while UAL has nada? Could it be that they have a management team that is trying to grow a successful stand alone airline instead of just shrinking and planning for the big merger payday?
As for 3 yr captains, when I was hired at UAL, we had 22 month captains. This business is fluid; CAL's at the end of their hiring cycle, just as UAL was when I was hired, just as a 1989 newhire at USAirways east.
On the aircraft orders at DAL, their balance sheet is in worse shape than UAL; more debt, less cash on hand, less revenues. With the economy going into recession, do you think that they'll end up taking delivery of those aircraft, while at the same time parking 25 aircraft in 2008?
How long before airline traffic falls through the floor? It's great to have new aircraft to fly, but it's not great if those aircraft are half empty.
03-21-2008, 05:41 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by capoetc
Out of curiosity (I have not interviewed with United) ... are they holding you in a "pool" for a potential future class, or do you have to re-apply at some point in the future if they start up training again?
03-21-2008, 06:42 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Andy
This is OT; better to be in a different thread. I fully agree with you on the $250 Mil. It wouldn't have gone to more cash on hand; that was part of the problem (excess cash on hand at the time). I would have REALLY liked to see some additional debt paid down early.
As for 3 yr captains, when I was hired at UAL, we had 22 month captains. This business is fluid; CAL's at the end of their hiring cycle, just as UAL was when I was hired, just as a 1989 newhire at USAirways east.
On the aircraft orders at DAL, their balance sheet is in worse shape than UAL; more debt, less cash on hand, less revenues. With the economy going into recession, do you think that they'll end up taking delivery of those aircraft, while at the same time parking 25 aircraft in 2008?
How long before airline traffic falls through the floor? It's great to have new aircraft to fly, but it's not great if those aircraft are half empty.
As for 3 yr captains, when I was hired at UAL, we had 22 month captains. This business is fluid; CAL's at the end of their hiring cycle, just as UAL was when I was hired, just as a 1989 newhire at USAirways east.
On the aircraft orders at DAL, their balance sheet is in worse shape than UAL; more debt, less cash on hand, less revenues. With the economy going into recession, do you think that they'll end up taking delivery of those aircraft, while at the same time parking 25 aircraft in 2008?
How long before airline traffic falls through the floor? It's great to have new aircraft to fly, but it's not great if those aircraft are half empty.
Thanks.
03-21-2008, 07:12 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by alwaysflying
Andy:
Are you back at UAL?
Are you back at UAL?
On the bright side, it sounds like most of the line pilots are still flying close to FAR maximums, so until there's a bigger fleet drawdown, I won't be furloughed for a while.
There are some widebody leases that will be expiring, so I wouldn't be surprised to see United return them to the lessor. United's also been talking about getting rid of the 737 for several years. If those events take place, I will almost certainly be back on the streets.
Is this VS? If you are, I saw that you opted to stay West rather than return to the lazy U. Probably a wise decision; I hope that you guys eventually get some peace between east & west.
Last edited by Andy; 03-21-2008 at 07:45 AM.
03-21-2008, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapdog
Andy - not a flame but just curious...where did you get your information on the above outline in red? I've heard from multiple sources (and I work there) that CAL is continuing their hiring for the forseeable future. Inquiring minds want to know...
Thanks.
Thanks.
CAL also has a large training float right now. If they stop the music tomorrow and do not have a bunch of pilots in training, their manning requirements instantly decrease.
Oil prices are only one part of the problem; Delta and United took the step of parking aircraft because future bookings are dropping off. Information that you and I do not have access to.
The entirety of the above is pure speculation on my part; take it for what it's worth. However, having grown up in the airline world, I've watched airline cycles since I was in elementary school back in the '60s.
The CAL comment was not intended to be a flame, merely an observation. CAL's a great company. I am sure that their management will take the necessary steps to ensure the company gets through rough economic times.
03-21-2008, 07:52 AM
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03-21-2008, 07:53 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by Andy
Scrapdog, the hiring projections are based on aircraft deliveries and block hour increases, along with retirements. I expect CAL to shut off the first two.
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