Jet Blue Pay Raise
06-28-2008, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
But if you guys think that you're somehow insulated by pretty airplanes, great service, industry darlings, ...whatever.........
Ok Jay now where did I say we are insulated by pretty airplanes, great service? I dont get your point. My point is that we are treated well at JB and our pay is guaranteed even if they did furlough, so to some degree we have protection. We are not the highest paid, we dont have the best benefits, but we dont have a hatred for our management. We get along well with other employee groups and to me that is more important than my paycheck to some degree. By the way many of us just got raises, pretty unusual in this current environment.
Ok Jay now where did I say we are insulated by pretty airplanes, great service? I dont get your point. My point is that we are treated well at JB and our pay is guaranteed even if they did furlough, so to some degree we have protection. We are not the highest paid, we dont have the best benefits, but we dont have a hatred for our management. We get along well with other employee groups and to me that is more important than my paycheck to some degree. By the way many of us just got raises, pretty unusual in this current environment.
06-28-2008, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Other than the NW and DL pilots. Plus did every JBLU pilot get a raise or only some? Wonder how the pilots who didn't get a raise feel when the ones who did go around saysing how great the company is.
06-28-2008, 09:31 AM
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Here is my 2 cents, flame away: Just like any other airline JetBlue has three distinct pilot groups, Senior, Mid-Seniority, and Junior, so here we go.
Senior Captains - No Raise, I know it sucks and in effect they actually got a pay cut because productivity is going down and inflation. But let's face the facts our Senior Captains at JetBlue do as good or better than every Narrow Body domestic carrier out there. (With a few exceptions Southwest, American, etc.) They are also the only group who SHOULD have benefitted from very lucrative stock options. So bottom line, they are competative or better than their peer group at other carriers.
Mid-Seniority - (Junior Captains and Senior F/O's) You just got a 5 to 10% pay raise in one of the worst downsides of the Airline Industry. You are now competative against your peer groups, (again Southwest/American are the exception). If you are an E-190 Captain you are now the highest paid Small-Narrow Body pilot in the industry. You just set the new standard for the airline industry on the E-190. Hopefully it will continue to rise but it is at least a start to an Industry Leading example of redifining the aircraft category.
Junior Pilots - If you are a first year pilot you are grandfathered in at current pay. Future new hires will be under the new pay ($40.00). Ask a CAL pilot what their first year pay is??? Every other junior E-190 pilot just got a pay raise. Now hopefully you had no dillutions about what you were getting into when you got hired as a E-190 F/O. Growth is at a stand still, most new hires were treating it as a Transitional Job waiting for the big fish to call, but now they are stuck, because of the industry state. Sucks to be Junior, at least you got a raise and if you left a Regional Left Seat I am sorry. Over time things should improve, but remember it is a new category aircraft that some will still argue is a Regional Jet. The Junior pilots are the worst off, but some would argue that the rest of the industry is Furloughing and JetBlue has a shared sacrifice gameplan, I know 43 year old United pilots that are going to be on the street, most of you are in your late 20's or early 30's and you still have a job.
JetBlue has a long way to go on other issues LOL, Medical, Retirement, but this is a good effort by management. I know a CBA is the only way to get certain protections, so I am not ruling out a good JBPA push. Bottom line, stay informed, stay educated and keep an open mind from all sides and all arguments and make a good decision.
Flame Away
Senior Captains - No Raise, I know it sucks and in effect they actually got a pay cut because productivity is going down and inflation. But let's face the facts our Senior Captains at JetBlue do as good or better than every Narrow Body domestic carrier out there. (With a few exceptions Southwest, American, etc.) They are also the only group who SHOULD have benefitted from very lucrative stock options. So bottom line, they are competative or better than their peer group at other carriers.
Mid-Seniority - (Junior Captains and Senior F/O's) You just got a 5 to 10% pay raise in one of the worst downsides of the Airline Industry. You are now competative against your peer groups, (again Southwest/American are the exception). If you are an E-190 Captain you are now the highest paid Small-Narrow Body pilot in the industry. You just set the new standard for the airline industry on the E-190. Hopefully it will continue to rise but it is at least a start to an Industry Leading example of redifining the aircraft category.
Junior Pilots - If you are a first year pilot you are grandfathered in at current pay. Future new hires will be under the new pay ($40.00). Ask a CAL pilot what their first year pay is??? Every other junior E-190 pilot just got a pay raise. Now hopefully you had no dillutions about what you were getting into when you got hired as a E-190 F/O. Growth is at a stand still, most new hires were treating it as a Transitional Job waiting for the big fish to call, but now they are stuck, because of the industry state. Sucks to be Junior, at least you got a raise and if you left a Regional Left Seat I am sorry. Over time things should improve, but remember it is a new category aircraft that some will still argue is a Regional Jet. The Junior pilots are the worst off, but some would argue that the rest of the industry is Furloughing and JetBlue has a shared sacrifice gameplan, I know 43 year old United pilots that are going to be on the street, most of you are in your late 20's or early 30's and you still have a job.
JetBlue has a long way to go on other issues LOL, Medical, Retirement, but this is a good effort by management. I know a CBA is the only way to get certain protections, so I am not ruling out a good JBPA push. Bottom line, stay informed, stay educated and keep an open mind from all sides and all arguments and make a good decision.
Flame Away
06-28-2008, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Here is my 2 cents, flame away: Just like any other airline JetBlue has three distinct pilot groups, Senior, Mid-Seniority, and Junior, so here we go.
Senior Captains - No Raise, I know it sucks and in effect they actually got a pay cut because productivity is going down and inflation. But let's face the facts our Senior Captains at JetBlue do as good or better than every Narrow Body domestic carrier out there. (With a few exceptions Southwest, American, etc.) They are also the only group who SHOULD have benefitted from very lucrative stock options. So bottom line, they are competative or better than their peer group at other carriers.
Mid-Seniority - (Junior Captains and Senior F/O's) You just got a 5 to 10% pay raise in one of the worst downsides of the Airline Industry. You are now competative against your peer groups, (again Southwest/American are the exception). If you are an E-190 Captain you are now the highest paid Small-Narrow Body pilot in the industry. You just set the new standard for the airline industry on the E-190. Hopefully it will continue to rise but it is at least a start to an Industry Leading example of redifining the aircraft category.
Junior Pilots - If you are a first year pilot you are grandfathered in at current pay. Future new hires will be under the new pay ($40.00). Ask a CAL pilot what their first year pay is??? Every other junior E-190 pilot just got a pay raise. Now hopefully you had no dillutions about what you were getting into when you got hired as a E-190 F/O. Growth is at a stand still, most new hires were treating it as a Transitional Job waiting for the big fish to call, but now they are stuck, because of the industry state. Sucks to be Junior, at least you got a raise and if you left a Regional Left Seat I am sorry. Over time things should improve, but remember it is a new category aircraft that some will still argue is a Regional Jet. The Junior pilots are the worst off, but some would argue that the rest of the industry is Furloughing and JetBlue has a shared sacrifice gameplan, I know 43 year old United pilots that are going to be on the street, most of you are in your late 20's or early 30's and you still have a job.
JetBlue has a long way to go on other issues LOL, Medical, Retirement, but this is a good effort by management. I know a CBA is the only way to get certain protections, so I am not ruling out a good JBPA push. Bottom line, stay informed, stay educated and keep an open mind from all sides and all arguments and make a good decision.
Flame Away
Senior Captains - No Raise, I know it sucks and in effect they actually got a pay cut because productivity is going down and inflation. But let's face the facts our Senior Captains at JetBlue do as good or better than every Narrow Body domestic carrier out there. (With a few exceptions Southwest, American, etc.) They are also the only group who SHOULD have benefitted from very lucrative stock options. So bottom line, they are competative or better than their peer group at other carriers.
Mid-Seniority - (Junior Captains and Senior F/O's) You just got a 5 to 10% pay raise in one of the worst downsides of the Airline Industry. You are now competative against your peer groups, (again Southwest/American are the exception). If you are an E-190 Captain you are now the highest paid Small-Narrow Body pilot in the industry. You just set the new standard for the airline industry on the E-190. Hopefully it will continue to rise but it is at least a start to an Industry Leading example of redifining the aircraft category.
Junior Pilots - If you are a first year pilot you are grandfathered in at current pay. Future new hires will be under the new pay ($40.00). Ask a CAL pilot what their first year pay is??? Every other junior E-190 pilot just got a pay raise. Now hopefully you had no dillutions about what you were getting into when you got hired as a E-190 F/O. Growth is at a stand still, most new hires were treating it as a Transitional Job waiting for the big fish to call, but now they are stuck, because of the industry state. Sucks to be Junior, at least you got a raise and if you left a Regional Left Seat I am sorry. Over time things should improve, but remember it is a new category aircraft that some will still argue is a Regional Jet. The Junior pilots are the worst off, but some would argue that the rest of the industry is Furloughing and JetBlue has a shared sacrifice gameplan, I know 43 year old United pilots that are going to be on the street, most of you are in your late 20's or early 30's and you still have a job.
JetBlue has a long way to go on other issues LOL, Medical, Retirement, but this is a good effort by management. I know a CBA is the only way to get certain protections, so I am not ruling out a good JBPA push. Bottom line, stay informed, stay educated and keep an open mind from all sides and all arguments and make a good decision.
Flame Away
I'm not a senior captain but why should their past luck be held against them as far as future compensation goes?
the 190 is still paid at regional wages. the 190 would hold 2 pax less then airtran's 717 if we configured them the way they do.
All FO's after the "pay raise" are still below industry standard as far as pay rates alone. even worse if you include vacation accrual, retirement,job protection,scope......the list goes on.
it is not about the money
it is not about the money
it is not about the money
06-28-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by greedyairlineexec
it is not about pay raises.please educate yourself and you will notice there are a host of other issues that are way more important than a pay raise.You mention a few on your last paragraph, you might not think they are important until you are force into bankruptcy because of any of them.this is not an effort of any kind by leadership, they just defecated all over over our caring value.
I'm not a senior captain but why should their past luck be held against them as far as future compensation goes?
the 190 is still paid at regional wages. the 190 would hold 2 pax less then airtran's 717 if we configured them the way they do.
All FO's after the "pay raise" are still below industry standard as far as pay rates alone. even worse if you include vacation accrual, retirement,job protection,scope......the list goes on.
it is not about the money
it is not about the money
it is not about the money
I'm not a senior captain but why should their past luck be held against them as far as future compensation goes?
the 190 is still paid at regional wages. the 190 would hold 2 pax less then airtran's 717 if we configured them the way they do.
All FO's after the "pay raise" are still below industry standard as far as pay rates alone. even worse if you include vacation accrual, retirement,job protection,scope......the list goes on.
it is not about the money
it is not about the money
it is not about the money
Are you as miserable as your posts are? Just wondering, seems like everything you write about JB is negative. If your not happy, then seriously you should think about finding another job. Where are you going to go work 15 days, hell 12 days a month and make more than your neighbors? It must not be that bad if your still wearing the blue.
06-28-2008, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
Greedy,
Are you as miserable as your posts are? Just wondering, seems like everything you write about JB is negative. If your not happy, then seriously you should think about finding another job. Where are you going to go work 15 days, hell 12 days a month and make more than your neighbors? It must not be that bad if your still wearing the blue.
Are you as miserable as your posts are? Just wondering, seems like everything you write about JB is negative. If your not happy, then seriously you should think about finding another job. Where are you going to go work 15 days, hell 12 days a month and make more than your neighbors? It must not be that bad if your still wearing the blue.
remember the values this company was founded upon and try to find them being applied without the spin. for me the most important one was caring, but is slowly dying.this lates round of not dealing with the real issues only reinforces it.please start caring for others, it really is not all about you believe it or not.
06-28-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
Greedy,
Are you as miserable as your posts are? Just wondering, seems like everything you write about JB is negative. If your not happy, then seriously you should think about finding another job. Where are you going to go work 15 days, hell 12 days a month and make more than your neighbors? It must not be that bad if your still wearing the blue.
Are you as miserable as your posts are? Just wondering, seems like everything you write about JB is negative. If your not happy, then seriously you should think about finding another job. Where are you going to go work 15 days, hell 12 days a month and make more than your neighbors? It must not be that bad if your still wearing the blue.
06-28-2008, 12:43 PM
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Concur...
He aims low and scores lower...
...Guess that's why he got Herks instead of jets!
Besides... B6 will have to furlough in the fall... take a look at their 10-K. They even said they would about break even at $2.55 a gallon. JFK spot fuel is now $4.00. They will have no recourse but reduce capacity...
MARTY!
He aims low and scores lower...
...Guess that's why he got Herks instead of jets!
Besides... B6 will have to furlough in the fall... take a look at their 10-K. They even said they would about break even at $2.55 a gallon. JFK spot fuel is now $4.00. They will have no recourse but reduce capacity...
MARTY!
06-28-2008, 12:51 PM
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Greedy,
I hate to say it, but one thing you will soon learn:
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
Pilot's are our own worst Greedy/Selfish money hungry enemy, someday you will realize is it always about the money....I know it sucks but it is REALITY.
I hate to say it, but one thing you will soon learn:
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
Pilot's are our own worst Greedy/Selfish money hungry enemy, someday you will realize is it always about the money....I know it sucks but it is REALITY.
06-28-2008, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Greedy,
I hate to say it, but one thing you will soon learn:
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
Pilot's are our own worst Greedy/Selfish money hungry enemy, someday you will realize is it always about the money....I know it sucks but it is REALITY.
I hate to say it, but one thing you will soon learn:
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
It is always about the money.....
Pilot's are our own worst Greedy/Selfish money hungry enemy, someday you will realize is it always about the money....I know it sucks but it is REALITY.
Didn't used to be that way! But it is now! (And for me it's B6's fault!!)
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