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Old 07-03-2008, 08:02 AM   #1  
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Post Midwest Flight Crew compared to RJ crews

In a letter from Uncle Timmy aka CEO Tim H, he called Midwest Airline flight crews overpaid RJ Pilots and FAs.

"Our top-of-scale rate for pilots is currently 32% higher than the average hourly pay for pilots who fly aircraft of similar capacity for other airlines. The cost of pension, health and other benefits for our pilots is 45% higher than the average at comparably sized airlines. Productivity per pilot is also less than at comparably sized airlines.

Similarly, our flight attendants are earning above-market wages and benefits, although in this case the premium is smaller. Our top-of-scale rate for flight attendants is currently 23% higher than the average hourly pay for flight attendants in the cabins of aircraft of similar capacity.

Given these realities and the actions we need to take to adjust our fleet and network, we are proposing pay reductions, benefit adjustments and productivity improvements to the Airline Pilots Association and the Association of Flight Attendants to align pay and benefits for our pilots and flight attendants with comparably sized airlines."

The Midwest 717s are stupidly outfitted with 88 seats. So in Tim's eyes the pilots should be paid for only those 88 seats instead of the possible 120 the airplane could hold. Another example of Midwest management putting blame on their employees for a management screw up.
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:22 AM   #2  
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Exactly, comparing the 717 to a CRJ-900 is ridiculous. The A/C should hold 117 pax and be paid accordingly. It is not the pilots fault YX outfits it like an RJ. The payscale at YX is comparable to FL for the 717.
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:30 AM   #3  
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good thing FedEx and UPS dont pay their pilots by how many seats the planes have.
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:51 AM   #4  
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good thing FedEx and UPS dont pay their pilots by how many seats the planes have.
Don't give 'em any ideas!
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Old 07-03-2008, 12:17 PM   #5  
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An airline manager will say whatever is necessary to get the results he desires.

Does this surprise you ?
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Old 07-03-2008, 12:26 PM   #6  
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Just another overpaid pencil pusher trying to steal your money and buy a new boat.
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Old 07-03-2008, 12:36 PM   #7  
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So many things wrong with this....if you average the captain wages posted on APC for Midwest you get $120. The "top of scale" 16 year captain wage is $153. 153/ of scale captains earn 27.5% more than the "average hourly rate" at Midwest itself. Do it for FOs and you get 100/79 for 26.5%. Of course the top of scale exceeds the average rate by a lot...or am I missing something?
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:03 PM   #8  
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So many things wrong with this.... Of course the top of scale exceeds the average rate by a lot...or am I missing something?
No, not missing anything. It's call "spin".
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:27 PM   #9  
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Burn the place down. Take the pay cuts and I'll be making more as a feeder FO. Now THAT is a slap in the face

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Old 07-03-2008, 02:29 PM   #10  
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What do you expect them to say, flying a 717 is no more difficult then flying a CRJ-900, and they are basically the same thing.................people wonder why a lot of folks look down on SKW, MESA, and Republic for flying 70+ seat jets for 50 seat wages.............
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