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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 485608)
It still doesn't answer the part about how you integrate pilots from two different companies that hire after the DCC. How will those guys be integrated?
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 485523)
Great question and no decision has been made on it.
They did their hiring at Western until after the SOC. Compare that to the Delta-NWA timeline. Announced April 14, 2008, stockholder approval September 25, 2008, and DCC in the 4th quarter. SOC is expected to take another 12-18 months. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 485623)
It's not two different companies after DCC, Carl, it's one. And the name is Delta. Every pilot hired after DCC is being hired by Delta, whether he flies for a period of time on the former NWA airplanes or not.
Let me make this as simple as I can: If New Delta hires a class of pilots on Jan 1, 2009 to operate former NWA aircraft because SOC has not yet occured, and New Delta hires a class of pilots on Jan 2, 2009 to operate former Delta aircraft because SOC has not yet occured...which class will be senior to which? And more importantly...why? Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 485640)
They will be operated as two separate companies until SOC.
Carl Try buying a NWA ticket just a couple of months after DCC. You won't be able to. Try finding a "NWA" pilot in an NWA uniform after April, 2009. You won't be able to. Try scheduling yourself (as a whale guy) using the NWA bid system after next summer. You won't be able to. Try collecting a paycheck, or buy insurance, or any other benefit through the NWA benefits system January 1, 2010. You won't be able to. That, and a lot more, happens after DCC but prior to SOC. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 485640)
They will be operated as two separate companies until SOC.
Let me make this as simple as I can: If New Delta hires a class of pilots on Jan 1, 2009 to operate former NWA aircraft because SOC has not yet occured, and New Delta hires a class of pilots on Jan 2, 2009 to operate former Delta aircraft because SOC has not yet occured...which class will be senior to which? And more importantly...why? Carl I think it would depend on how the arbitrators rule and how the hiring is done. If all the hiring is done in ATL and they go to brainwashing, I mean INDOC, in ATL they will be given a DAL seniority number and then can be sent to MSP for training. Everyone would start training in ATL for general corporate type stuff and they would be sent to MSP for flight training. This would however preclude different classes one day apart. But on the other hand the arbitartors may have different ideas. Only time will tell. Scoop |
I know it is different with the Western merger. No merger to my knowledge has had an SLI before it was completed. This is a new animal, period. New ground will be made here. The point was that DAL has a history of honoring others pools. Not sure if they will this time, as there are some legal implications. It will be determined by the lawyers and we will all know that outcome once we hire post DCC.
Scoop is correct. IF we need pilots for NWA, I am sure this is how it will be done. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 485094)
For those talking about NWA management not "letting" 1000 guys retire, you should know it's not management's decision to make. If 1000 NWA guys want to retire early, there's nothing that can be done.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 485094)
Not that I'm encouraging this in any way, but guys who are interested in retiring before the huge jump in early retirement medical premiums don't have to be sitting on pins and needles waiting to decide to put in their papers just before the DCC. They only need to call in sick the day before. Under the newest interpretation of the JPWA, if you early retire directly from sick leave, your medical premiums are grandfathered in at the old rates. That would be one way for a guy to get the equity claim, then retire under the old premiums. It's sneaky, but possible. I think that's what the company's worried about.
I know it's a high number, but I don't think it's quite 1000 guys. Surely you don't think a high number of Northwest pilots are thieves? |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 485640)
They will be operated as two separate companies until SOC.
Let me make this as simple as I can: If New Delta hires a class of pilots on Jan 1, 2009 to operate former NWA aircraft because SOC has not yet occured, and New Delta hires a class of pilots on Jan 2, 2009 to operate former Delta aircraft because SOC has not yet occured...which class will be senior to which? And more importantly...why? Carl In the above scenario, the Jan 2 class will be junior to the Jan 1 class after DCC. Why?... Date of hire. Carl |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 485658)
Absolutely correct. Behavior might be modified by a different "PERP", but pilots have the right to retire when they desire.
While you're not encouraging it, what are you doing to discourage your current co-workers from stealing from you (and me)? The equity comes directly out of the pockets of NWA pilots. The additional costs and operational disruptions come out of all of our pockets from the coffers of our new company. Surely you don't think a high number of Northwest pilots are thieves? What did you do to discourage the senior Delta pilots from all taking lump sums and bankrupting the pension for all Delta pilots? Carl |
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