Rumor about SOC. Has anyone heard this?
12-26-2008, 07:56 PM
#171
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Ferd is correct here. The Delta pilots who always want to view the glass as half full are taking one career snapshot as of 8 Dec. To understand and look at the true integration of the lists they have to be viewed over time at least in 5, 10, 15 and 20 year snapshots depending on how long one has left to work. The Delta pilots took a near term hit in relative position via the 274 pullouts however they make that back over time and actually begin to gain if you have more then 5 years to go. The arbitrator balanced the higher average fleet size with the higher average retirements at NWA and arrived at the 274 number. I am sure that Delta pilots want it lower and NWA pilots wanted it higher.
So, old NWA guys are ****ed about seniority and old Delta guys are ****ed about the fence issue. I'll probably get displaced out of my base in the short term and will never see the QOL in my base that I would have had we not had the merger. You know what, there is nothing I can do about it so I don't care. Look at the positves you gained and life will be much better. NWA guys have more options on more widebodies and Delta guys got a little bit better relative seniorty. We're both lucky, move on.
12-26-2008, 09:40 PM
#172
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
One thing I notice NWA guys never bring up is the fact that Original Delta has TWICE as many widebodies and better bases. Without fences on bases or 767's its pretty much a windfall for you guys. End of story.
In determining what you mean by the word "better," I hope you consider them and realized that they can apply the same thoughts against your hometown. So, I guess I'm saying that you "better bases" argument is and always will be pretty weak. If you lived in Minot and Northwest had a base there you would be saying that NWA had the best base in the world. So, maybe you should lose that argument because everything is always viewed from the eye of the beholder.
12-27-2008, 04:56 AM
#173
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Do you really think that Atlanta, New York, Cincinnati, Salt Lake and Los Angeles are better than Detroit, Minneapolis, Memphis, Seattle and Anchorage?
You're obviously not going to admit it yet, but I think you know what's going to happen.
12-27-2008, 05:11 AM
#174
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
By the way, relative seniority is crap because I started of this SLI 2% behind, bottom out at 10% behind and never fully recover to 3% behind. There is nothing relative about it, I was leap frogged. That being the case, someone at Delta move up a percentile or three. That I can live with, Delta pilots complaining I cannot.
It's time to accept the SLI and move on but don't be surprised when NWA pilots speak up when Delta pilots whine.
It's time to accept the SLI and move on but don't be surprised when NWA pilots speak up when Delta pilots whine.
As tired as I am of hearing DL new hires complain about how they might get screwed (nothing has even happened yet). They need to take a step back an realize they were doing pretty d.amn good before the merger and they are doing pretty d.amn good now as well (compared to the 3% that guys that have been here almost 18 years lost).
Blaming this merger and NWA pilots on possibly getting pushed down or kicked off your widebody is ridiculous...it probably would have happend anyway.
12-27-2008, 06:43 AM
#176
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Sailing/Rocky,
Thanks for the kind words.
Ok, good nights sleep and my mozam beak has fallen off. Sorry to all for my rants especially Buzz and Jack.
The merger is nothing any of us wanted, we are just the guys who get to sweep up after the parade that the money guys and masters of the universe threw. But, with that said, I reall do believe that in the long run we really are better off together vs apart, especially for the next 3-5 years.
I've ranted about this before but I'll bore everyone again. Old NWA guys lives will change completely from uniforms to checklist usage to how we commute home.....nothing will be as before, and some will take it worse than others. Junior Delta guys may be off equipment and out of bases that even older Delta guys have said is odd in their history. Some will take that better than others. If we can just hold on and hire, that will eleminate most concerns.
Enjoy the holiday...........I'm tak'en joemomma to breakfast. I promise to drink less coffee! (and no Dos XXs with my mexican food)
Ferd's nicer twin
Thanks for the kind words.
Ok, good nights sleep and my mozam beak has fallen off. Sorry to all for my rants especially Buzz and Jack.
The merger is nothing any of us wanted, we are just the guys who get to sweep up after the parade that the money guys and masters of the universe threw. But, with that said, I reall do believe that in the long run we really are better off together vs apart, especially for the next 3-5 years.
I've ranted about this before but I'll bore everyone again. Old NWA guys lives will change completely from uniforms to checklist usage to how we commute home.....nothing will be as before, and some will take it worse than others. Junior Delta guys may be off equipment and out of bases that even older Delta guys have said is odd in their history. Some will take that better than others. If we can just hold on and hire, that will eleminate most concerns.
Enjoy the holiday...........I'm tak'en joemomma to breakfast. I promise to drink less coffee! (and no Dos XXs with my mexican food)
Ferd's nicer twin
12-27-2008, 08:35 AM
#177
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Sailing/Rocky,
Thanks for the kind words.
Ok, good nights sleep and my mozam beak has fallen off. Sorry to all for my rants especially Buzz and Jack.
The merger is nothing any of us wanted, we are just the guys who get to sweep up after the parade that the money guys and masters of the universe threw. But, with that said, I reall do believe that in the long run we really are better off together vs apart, especially for the next 3-5 years.
I've ranted about this before but I'll bore everyone again. Old NWA guys lives will change completely from uniforms to checklist usage to how we commute home.....nothing will be as before, and some will take it worse than others. Junior Delta guys may be off equipment and out of bases that even older Delta guys have said is odd in their history. Some will take that better than others. If we can just hold on and hire, that will eleminate most concerns.
Enjoy the holiday...........I'm tak'en joemomma to breakfast. I promise to drink less coffee! (and no Dos XXs with my mexican food)
Ferd's nicer twin
Thanks for the kind words.
Ok, good nights sleep and my mozam beak has fallen off. Sorry to all for my rants especially Buzz and Jack.
The merger is nothing any of us wanted, we are just the guys who get to sweep up after the parade that the money guys and masters of the universe threw. But, with that said, I reall do believe that in the long run we really are better off together vs apart, especially for the next 3-5 years.
I've ranted about this before but I'll bore everyone again. Old NWA guys lives will change completely from uniforms to checklist usage to how we commute home.....nothing will be as before, and some will take it worse than others. Junior Delta guys may be off equipment and out of bases that even older Delta guys have said is odd in their history. Some will take that better than others. If we can just hold on and hire, that will eleminate most concerns.
Enjoy the holiday...........I'm tak'en joemomma to breakfast. I promise to drink less coffee! (and no Dos XXs with my mexican food)
Ferd's nicer twin
Great post, Ferd!
One question though....since this party was thrown by the masters of the universe, does that make Steenland "Skeletor?" And if so, that makes Anderson the ambiguously gay bodybuilder.
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