Razor

Deleted. DH was too fast for me.

FlyinPiker

The most junior NYC 7ER B award went to a 4900 number last go around. Anything is possible of course, but I would expect that trend to continue in regards to getting the position thru an A.E. There are plenty of senior guys (pre '01 hires) that are actually in the NYC/NE area trying to get off the 88 and 73N.

Those that are bidding it via a PD or MD I think won't have a problem but I'd definitely be watching how low I'd be willing to be on the list. Make sure you protect yourself if you aren't willing to except reserve or an extremely low line holder position.

Remember this is going to be a big waterfall effect. Junior ATL capts that want to keep their seat could possibly bump NYC -88 capts concidering they'd hold a line up there. Most of those guys would then in turn bid back to NYC 7ER B and so on. Most of the guys on the ATL 73N are pretty senior as well...will they slum it out on the -88 or go for the commutable easy flying on the ER.

Don't forget to look at what's on the horizon as well. It's not like once the dust clears from this latest AE/displacement we will all resume inching our ways up our respective lists. It would be smart to not only be happy with where you end up, but with that you might continue/or end up being pushed down once we are all one big happy family and airplanes start getting moved around/ senior NWA guys can bid for our vacancies visa versa.

Rhino Driver

Just remember, those 160 guys ahead of you are ONLY AE choices. THERE IS NO WAY to count the number of people ahead of you with VD or MD as their choice. That 160 could be CONSIDERABLY HIGHER!

Philly

I'm in the bottom 10% on the 73n in NYC and want to stay. As a result, my AE and VD are blank and my MD is populated with all the category/base combinations in my prefence order.

Forgive the question if there is some simple explanation that I have missed, but why wouldn't you indicate EVERY FO position in order of preference if you were at all junior on your MD list. This is what I'm doing so that I don't get anything I don't want out of preference order. It seems to me with folks moving around (unpredicatably..at least with any reliability) that it is wise to do so. As I understand it, if I am to be displaced (MD) that my preferences will be followed and I have nothing to lose by putting down exactly what I would take in descending order. I'm concerned because it sounds like folks are not listing every possible outcome and I want to confirm that your MD preferences are followed in order until it arrives at one that you can hold. It obviously depends on your seniority "how far you can fall", but doesn't it still make sense to list all the possibilities just in case? Your preferences have to be followed in order right?? I'm specifically talking about the MD preference list--NOT the VD or AE preference lists. As far as the AE and VD should I have NYC 73N to make sure I stay there rather than leaving it blank?? I don't want them to think "He'll go anywhere!" due to a lack of AE preferences! I understood that is not the case but just to confirm--A blank AE means you do NOT want to move. Right?

Thanks...Philly

FlyingViking

I am changing it every day as well and watching how the bid preference changes by the minute. As you know, I moved east as well but I rather go LAX than more training and domestic if I have the option. As you, I am sitting on the fence renting and watching the market down here, looks like another year or so would be a perfect time to shop houses.. If we both get LAX, lets get together and find a pad? See you in NYC, I'm heading up there in a few...

Razor

I think that's the right thing to do too but why not call DALPA and get answers from the experts. You can let us all know what they say

FlyinPiker

Adding to that...only about 17ish (don't remember the exact number) of those will actually be awarded the position thru an A.E. Anyone else trying to be awarded the position will have to do so using a M.D. or P.D.

Razor

I didn't know that Rhino, thanks!

buzzpat

No, you can't cover all three from those areas without pre-positioning. I live in Ventura County. Can't make it to either SNA or ONT without driving down early and hanging out. Even LAX can be a challenge depending on the time of day. Morning and evening rush hours can run up to 2-2.5 hour drives.

FlyingViking

Could you elaborate that statement for me? It sounds like music to my ears, but I might be misinterpreting it. I.e., does that mean that only so many FO's in NYC will be displaced regardless of how many bid for it?

This could be a good summer after all.....

I have only been through one AE before and is not too familiar with the specifics but think I have covered my bases with the way I bid. I am however a bit confused with this MD and VD due to the fact that if it goes the way some on here are predicting the party this summer will be near Virginia Ave with all of us in training for some sort of different equipment and then again after AE after SOC. Just seem like a lot of $$$ and training for little gain.

For those of you who called DALPA and got the record straight, thanks for sharing with the rest of us.