DLpilot

It depends on whether or not he could hold anything larger in NYC. I don't think it is base dependent.

Razor

According to Dickson's memo yesterday (posted on the Flt Ops website) if you get hit with mandatory displacement then you get pay protection. His words, "You may also wish to consider that Attachment B to the JCBA (the transition provisions applicable to pre-merger Delta pilots) provides for limited pay protection in the event of a Mandatory Displacement (MD)."

For those that are interested (I know I am) this is from the JCBA. Note the 36 month pay protection period is from CBAID not from the date of displacement. Or is it for the entire duration of your MD if the MD occurs within 36 months of CBAID?

Attachment B

The following items apply to pre-merger Delta pilots during the transition of former NWA pilots to the Delta PWA. These provisions are limited and primarily deal with the integration of the fleets, computer systems and operations. All the items in this attachment will sunset during the transition period and do not become permanent, so these rules will not be written into the PWA.

Section 4
MINIMUM PAY AND CREDIT GUARANTEES

Amend Section 4 J. (new) to include the following:

J. Minimum Pay and Credit Guarantees Transition for Pre-merger Delta Pilots

For a period of 36 months following CBAID, a pilot who is displaced via an MD (or involuntary displacement) to a position with a lesser composite hourly pay rate will be pay protected at the rate applicable to the higher paying position for the hours paid to him in his current category. Such pay protection will be for the difference in the composite hourly pay rate applicable to the position from which he was displaced and the highest paying position his seniority allows him to hold. This provision will no longer be applicable when a pilot’s seniority allows him to hold a position of equal or greater pay compared to the position from which he was displaced. For example, a 7ERA has as his preference M88B and his seniority is sufficient the he could hold M88A, the pilot will only have the dollar difference between 7ERA and M88A applied to the hours he flies as an M88B.

acl65pilot

Problem is that most of the guys that are holding ATL 767B will more than likely still be able to hold NYC7ERB. Ergo, because it pays the same they had the choice to bid that. Because they bid the 88B instead they will get 88 pay.
It is the most senior seat you can hold system wide not in base that counts.

FWIW, if you hold a line on the 88 you will more than likely make more money than reserve on the 767.
One guy I know is making over 1500 bucks more a months after taxes than a second year reserve 767 FO!

Superdad

That may be true, until they stick another 90+ FO's in that base.

acl65pilot

Yes, but they will still be short this summer. They are not going Fat staff that jet, they never do. Trust me. They have been working with gum and duct tape for the last six months. Many guys keep timing out.
This will jet bring the ALV down about four to six hrs. Nothing more.

MoonShot

Couple questions.

Say I want to bid a base at __ %. If I want to be at least 90 of 100, do I put 90% or 10%?

Also, I can't tell by reading the contract, if I want to go from an 88 base to an 88/90 base, will I have a seatlock? If so, does it start at the award, or conversion (thinking award)? It read as if the 9 month freeze was only a TOE issue (not differences training).

When is a realistic time frame for a Delta guy to bid a NWA base? (Don't want to be seatlocked and not able to bid the first chance I get). SD's memo led me to believe late 09 at the EARLIEST.

acl65pilot

Correct

I hope this helps

Bucking Bar

ACL:

How long do you think the 767 displacements will last? You seem to think no one will be able to use their 180 day reinstatement rights. But, if fuel goes back up I can't imagine Delta wants to leave the most efficient jet in the fleet out in the dusty desert.

Frankly, I'm astonished that they are pulling down the 757's. Best airplane ever built IMHO.

Something about the severity of this displacement does not add up. We are getting new 737's and displacing off of it too. Is this just to manipulate / rationalize the list prior to SOC? (I don't think I'm crazy enough to believe that, but 134 pilots off one airplane in one base in one bid is a lot.)

acl65pilot

I do not think that it is to manipulate anything.
DAL does not see demand going back up until 2011. Now they have put a year conversion on this one for a reason. I personally think that they did this to cancel the rest of it, and plan on an AE in summer in case SOC happens. My guy tells me that we will be training for new bases in the winter months of this year.

Bucking Bar

Is there any strategy to delay? Are MD's done in seniority order?

Displacement to new bases?

An Advancement (a choice) is preferable to a Displacement (little choice). Company too must realize there is a cost, in addition to the cost of training. Morale, the ability to pick up trips if you are forced to commute ... etc.

BTW - the CPO should pay you for your work on the board. You are saving a lot of carpet wear in the vicinity of the CPO door as well all try to gain SA on where this thing is headed.