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Old 04-24-2006 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Can you tell where I stand on outsourcing?
Well, if we could only outsource airline management, I'd have to say that would be good!
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Old 04-24-2006 | 02:29 PM
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I have to hand it to you. Though I don't agree with everything you have stated, and not wanting to get into a finger pointing contest, you have come back with a very savy reply. Well done!
Thanks for the kind comment. Outsourcing is a very sensative subject, and I know it has obvious downsides. My biggest concern is that people see the word outsourcing, and all of a sudden cringe in fear and hate. It can be a good thing. Our capitalist economy is based on the success of business, and with their success comes the success of our citizens. Wealth does trickle down. As long as unemployement remains low, a little outsourcing is healthy for our economy.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
I thought that aircraft mechanics are a pretty skilled bunch...
Unfortunately, you don't have to be an aircraft mechanic to work on airplanes! An appropriately licensed mechanic must sign off that the work was done right, but anybody hired off the street (or out of the jungle) can actually do the grunt work...our airplanes are maintained by the same folks who pick our bananas.

Personally I feel that the work should be done in the US for safety and security reasons.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Welcome to the world of "Out Sourced MX" going to the cheapest bidder, just so your tickets will be the lowest in history!
Sure were concerned for our saftey, just not enough to save $30 bucks on a round trip ticket.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 03:08 PM
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Sorry I have to disagree with this trickle down theory that has not worked yet for 25 years. First look at the history lately and tell me were it is working. If businesses used the money like they should instead of lining the share holders pockets, aka the CEO and the board of directors, then maybe trickle down would work. Well some might wonder then what rich people are doing with all this money, I think they are spending it on **** that does not matter, like 350,000 dollar cars made in Europe and on houses that were built years ago. If you think trickle down economics work then you pobably think the rich are taxed to much.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by preludespeeder
Sorry I have to disagree with this trickle down theory that has not worked yet for 25 years.

More like 75 years. "Trickle-down" theory was first articulated in the early days of the Great Depression. The memory of the common hardships faced by the bulk of Americans in those difficult years often obscures the fact that a tiny minority continued to become very, very rich...

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Old 04-24-2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
Thanks for the kind comment. Outsourcing is a very sensative subject, and I know it has obvious downsides. My biggest concern is that people see the word outsourcing, and all of a sudden cringe in fear and hate. It can be a good thing. Our capitalist economy is based on the success of business, and with their success comes the success of our citizens. Wealth does trickle down. As long as unemployement remains low, a little outsourcing is healthy for our economy.
I'm with you brother, well said.

Sorry I have to disagree with this trickle down theory that has not worked yet for 25 years. First look at the history lately and tell me were it is working.
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How about taking a look at the unemployment rate for the last 65 years. It has averaged at around 5 percent and hasn't consistently rose in recent decades even as outsourcing has.

If you think trickle down economics work then you pobably think the rich are taxed to much.
If you think the rich arn't taxed enough then you probably think communism actually works.

More like 75 years. "Trickle-down" theory was first articulated in the early days of the Great Depression. The memory of the common hardships faced by the bulk of Americans in those difficult years often obscures the fact that a tiny minority continued to become very, very rich...
They say it takes a small fortune to make a big one.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 08:06 PM
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Well, chances are fairly high that I may be flying you to Hawaii. Since my butt is at the pointy end I'm not going to be on the jet if there is any question of mx issues.

Talking to our guys who go to Aeroman has convinced me that they are indeed a reputable outfit. I was an Airbus Mx Check Captain for a while and spent a lot of time in Winnipeg and YVR picking up aircraft. We have had the same results from Aeroman that we had from Air Canada. From what I have been told all the mechanics that work on the aircraft have degrees and are very knowledgable. And a team of cleaners go through every part of the jet and scrub it down, even to the landing gear - like a new jet!

We have had worse results from the outfit right here in Goodyear who were doing the ETOPS mods on some of our 757s. We had jets in the shop way past completion dates.

Rest assured that before a jet gets released to the line there has been a Mx check crew who have flown that aircraft and tested every system before it goes out. And we line pilots have our checks we do before we hit ETOPS airspace.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Unfortunately, you don't have to be an aircraft mechanic to work on airplanes! An appropriately licensed mechanic must sign off that the work was done right, but anybody hired off the street (or out of the jungle) can actually do the grunt work...our airplanes are maintained by the same folks who pick our bananas.

Personally I feel that the work should be done in the US for safety and security reasons.

Agreed. Valujet 592 comes to mind when talking about outsourced mx. And that was done by a US firm.
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Old 04-24-2006 | 10:21 PM
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Thanks for the information. I take it you are an America West pilot. From some research I did today, it appears America West sends their Airbus planes to Aeroman but the 757's go to Timco in Macon, GA. Timco also has a facility in Goodyear, AZ. Timco also does work for United. I was NOT pleased to learn that the Timco facility in NC was raided about one year ago for hiring a few illegal aliens who also had lied about their FAA licenses. There was also a story about a United plane that had a panel blow off leaving the NC facility because it was not screwed down. Were you led to believe America West is only serviced by Aeroman? What do your colleagues think about Timco?

Pilotpip, who did work on Valujet 592?

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