DAL Scope Compliance
01-23-2009, 03:06 AM
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DAL Scope Compliance
I read somewhere that the current number of 70/76 seaters flying for the DCI feeders are currently in excess of what is allowed by our Scope?
Does anyone have any current numbers, and I'm assuming this now the combined number between DAL/NWA feeders?
Does anyone have any current numbers, and I'm assuming this now the combined number between DAL/NWA feeders?
01-23-2009, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
I read somewhere that the current number of 70/76 seaters flying for the DCI feeders are currently in excess of what is allowed by our Scope?
Does anyone have any current numbers, and I'm assuming this now the combined number between DAL/NWA feeders?
Does anyone have any current numbers, and I'm assuming this now the combined number between DAL/NWA feeders?
01-23-2009, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am not sure of the number, but I am guessing that the company arguement would be that it will be in compliance with the new jets that are scheduled to arrive this year.
01-23-2009, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Or with additional DC9's coming back into service? Don't mainline jets have to be increased 3:1 for every additional Scope jet, or RJ's decreased by the same ratio?
01-23-2009, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Unless you know something different then Delta managment as of a week ago no DC-9's are coming back in service. Most are being stripped for parts in the desert. Those going to the desert are no longer being stored in a airworthy condition. They are being stripped and scrapped. There are some pics you can find on the internet if you search. They are bringing 4 MD-88's back from the desert but Delta is sending some 757's to the desert coming up on heavy maintenance checks and NWA is sending some 757's and A320's to storage also facing heavy maintenance checks.
Increase acft utilization accounts for some of this, but not a 40% increase in year over year block hours. Your management source may be getting OBE info...
01-23-2009, 05:44 AM
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The daily utilization of the FNWA was very low compared to Delta's MD88's. I posted the 2007 numbers almost a year ago but don't have them here. If scheduled as hard as Delta's jets were, then yes, I could see a 30% increase in block with the same fleet of airplanes.
As far as 70/76 numbers, it is common on the Delta side for the DCI carriers to have more airplanes than allowed, BUT, the company claims those excess jets are SPARES and that the scope limits only apply to aircraft being operated.
That has been the story for years, do not know if anything has changed recently. The loads and economy again are making the CRJ700/900 & E170/175 very popular with management.
As far as 70/76 numbers, it is common on the Delta side for the DCI carriers to have more airplanes than allowed, BUT, the company claims those excess jets are SPARES and that the scope limits only apply to aircraft being operated.
That has been the story for years, do not know if anything has changed recently. The loads and economy again are making the CRJ700/900 & E170/175 very popular with management.
01-23-2009, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The daily utilization of the FNWA was very low compared to Delta's MD88's. I posted the 2007 numbers almost a year ago but don't have them here. If scheduled as hard as Delta's jets were, then yes, I could see a 30% increase in block with the same fleet of airplanes.
Agreed, however have heard acft coming out of the desert.
As far as 70/76 numbers, it is common on the Delta side for the DCI carriers to have more airplanes than allowed, BUT, the company claims those excess jets are SPARES and that the scope limits only apply to aircraft being operated.
If they are flying they are not spares. We fought this battle at NWA before and won. If they were not parked in the desert they were counted as "in-service"
That has been the story for years, do not know if anything has changed recently. The loads and economy again are making the CRJ700/900 & E170/175 very popular with management.
Agreed, however have heard acft coming out of the desert.
As far as 70/76 numbers, it is common on the Delta side for the DCI carriers to have more airplanes than allowed, BUT, the company claims those excess jets are SPARES and that the scope limits only apply to aircraft being operated.
If they are flying they are not spares. We fought this battle at NWA before and won. If they were not parked in the desert they were counted as "in-service"
That has been the story for years, do not know if anything has changed recently. The loads and economy again are making the CRJ700/900 & E170/175 very popular with management.
This relates directly to furloughs and the number of mainline jobs on the property. Perhaps our new FN LEC Reps can help put some horsepower behind changing this. I smell resolutions forthcoming.....
01-23-2009, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Why in God's name is DALPA letting them get away with that!!!???? Has DALPA even fought this??
This relates directly to furloughs and the number of mainline jobs on the property. Perhaps our new FN LEC Reps can help put some horsepower behind changing this. I smell resolutions forthcoming.....
This relates directly to furloughs and the number of mainline jobs on the property. Perhaps our new FN LEC Reps can help put some horsepower behind changing this. I smell resolutions forthcoming.....
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