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Old 08-07-2008, 12:22 PM
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Heyas DAL guys,

Can you give the ins/outs for the DAL reserve system?

Call out times? Days on/off? Short call/long call? Bidding?

Thanks for any details...

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Old 08-07-2008, 12:32 PM
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Why, Nu Guy, looking to bid from your 757 FO slot to a 777 CA? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff View Post
Why, Nu Guy, looking to bid from your 757 FO slot to a 777 CA? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
Dude maybe I missed something but he just asked a question. Either answer it or don't but no need to be a jerk.

The accusations and name calling on this board are not going to get this group anywhere. We had better learn to work together as a group or we are all screwed in the end. You do remember that RA and a lot of the management and BOD of the new DAL were at NWA.
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Why, Nu Guy, looking to bid from your 757 FO slot to a 777 CA? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
Duuude. Come on.
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Why, Nu Guy, looking to bid from your 757 FO slot to a 777 CA? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
Um, no, because very shortly your reserve system may become our reserve system, and a bud was looking for some info.

The irony is at NWA, blockholder is a permanent position (MSPDC9CAB, DTW757FOB, etc), and if you hold it, you KNOW you will have a block (line) month to month.

With the DAL combined category system, you could float from one to the other if you're on the cusp. MANY NWA guys, who hold block categories may find themselves suddenly on reserve without being able to opt for displacement to a category where they could hold a line (which our current system permits).

This makes bidding with reference to commuting a bit more difficult to plan, and is why I am asking for info.

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Why, Nu Guy, looking to bid from your 757 FO slot to a 777 CA? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
Typical Flamebait from Spliff.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:43 PM
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Basically you have the general gist of it.
We have a seat on a fleet. Ala 767A and 767B. Both of those have about 400 or so pilots each in ATL.
Now each month we bid in PBS. They send out an estimated line count for the month. This is hard lines with trips. Now we all go in put in our 75 requests and it spits out lines. (Lines Of Time~LOT)
Now the estimates have been way off the last few months. As much as 15 lines in each seat.
Now if you do not get a line with trips on it you are banished to reserve. Now we bid our reserve lines the old fashion way. There are bid packages in the electronic forum on the Deltanet. You bid these lines as we used to bid hard lines in E-Crew. (Basically if you do not get a LOT the PBS software directs the program to look at these requests).

Now the ins and outs of the reserve here are much like NWA. We have 12 hr long call and "reasonable time" (2 hr-ATL 3~hr in LAX and NYC) short call. Now the big difference here is that you do not bid for long call or short call lines. Per the PWA it is up to the schedulers discretion on how many and who gets short call on any given day. (Personal experience recently has been if I cannot fly a trip 28+ hrs flown already in a week they put me on short call. Now in the winter this is a lot different)
Basically on the international categories where Short call is a 24 hr straight period, you will get one long call day followed by a short call day followed by a long call day almost all month long. Domestically they basically do whatever they want and it depends on who is working that day. The short of if is if you sit reserve you will need a crash pad. Short call domestically is a 12 hr period that can start whenever the scheduler wants it to. The only requirement is a nine hr rest break before and after the period.
I have been used with as little as 1 hr left in the call window. As long as you are legal under Whitlow you are legal to do the trip. There are a good amount of pilots that get long call on any given day as well. Problem is that you will not know for sure until 3 PM the day prior.
All and all it makes a great case for being junior on a big piece of equipment and living in domicile. I know guys that commute to reserve and they are not home too much.
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Heyas ACL,

Thanks for the info.

Just so I'm clear, you can't bid on your RAP periods and/or shortcall/longcall at all? Can you at least make your preferences known?

How do they assign pilots to trips? First in first out? SILOs (days avail)? Time/Credit?

Is it possible to ask for "top" or "bottom" on the first day? At NWA, you can ask for top or bottom on your first RR day of the group, depending on how badly you want to go out (commuters pick top, townies pick bottom).

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Old 08-07-2008, 02:39 PM
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You can reduce your Raw Value by 15 points. That puts in a low yellow slip. Yes that gets you out on your first day(Maybe). It also allows scheduling to use you before 1200 on your first day of reserve. Sometimes it gets you short call if the reduction does not get you low enough to get a trip. I have done it and gotten a 0530 report. Now with more than four days of avail. you will probably sit short call for the last two days. I did that this week and it irked me. I had 28:52 of block and I could have only done a one way to SAV, or JAX if I was lucky, but I got to sit short call for two days. It was legal and there was nothing I could do about it.
Now you can request to be first for short call. With six periods a month you can try to get the pain out quickly, but if they put you on a four day on the first short call day, you can not get to six until the second or third week of the month. I normally do not request it. Hence the suggestion for a crash pad. We tend to fly on reserve here.
The trips are assigned at 0800 the prior day. Whatever is in the open time pot at that time now becomes avail for scheduling to assign to reserves. They normally will do this within an hr or two. Now "silos" as you call them is what we call days of avail. Four being the most and one the least. They will assign trips to people who have High yellows in first( Off day fly that you do not get back), low yellows and then to people in RAW value order. Lowest is the first to go out. A four day goes to the guys with four days avail. A three day to guys with three, unless there are no three day guys avail, or someone has put in a High Yellow for it. Now I know this is clear as mud. Get burnt by it once and you will learn. Personally I only put in a low yellow if I know I am going to get a trip. This way I have minimal control over what they give me, but it is not a guarantee, only a request that they do not have to honor. I am not in to give up off days, unless it is for a green slip.
RAW value is a complicated formula that should be in the JPWA copy that you have but what it basically equates to is two points to every hr credit unless you have sick days or pay back days that take your total number of reserve days down. Then it goes up a bit.
Hope that this does not give you NWA guys a head ache.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy View Post
Heyas DAL guys,

Can you give the ins/outs for the DAL reserve system?

Call out times? Days on/off? Short call/long call? Bidding?

Thanks for any details...

Nu
It's a retarded system. You need an MIT PhD to figure our where the numbers come from. Welcome to Delta, where the mantra has bee (in the 17 years I have been here) "Don't worry about that reserve system, you'll be senior someday". That being said acl did a pretty good job of 'splainin it.
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