DAL Reserve
08-07-2008, 03:00 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
Why, Nu Guy, looking to bid from your 757 FO slot to a 777 CA? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
08-07-2008, 03:03 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by tsquare
It's a retarded system. You need an MIT PhD to figure our where the numbers come from. Welcome to Delta, where the mantra has bee (in the 17 years I have been here) "Don't worry about that reserve system, you'll be senior someday". That being said acl did a pretty good job of 'splainin it.
At NWA it's "we set it up to maximize the number of blockholders, reserve is not a priority"...
LOL...
Nu
08-07-2008, 03:13 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by caddis
Dude maybe I missed something but he just asked a question. Either answer it or don't but no need to be a jerk.
The accusations and name calling on this board are not going to get this group anywhere. We had better learn to work together as a group or we are all screwed in the end. You do remember that RA and a lot of the management and BOD of the new DAL were at NWA.
The accusations and name calling on this board are not going to get this group anywhere. We had better learn to work together as a group or we are all screwed in the end. You do remember that RA and a lot of the management and BOD of the new DAL were at NWA.
Spaceman is getting better. At least he's not giving us details of the Atlanta Men's Rooms anymore.
Carl
08-07-2008, 03:43 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by tsquare
It's a retarded system. You need an MIT PhD to figure our where the numbers come from. Welcome to Delta, where the mantra has bee (in the 17 years I have been here) "Don't worry about that reserve system, you'll be senior someday". That being said acl did a pretty good job of 'splainin it.
The formula is crazy. Bottom line though is you get roughly 15 points toward your RAW for every day you fly. The whole idea was to spread out the flying so you didn't have half the reserves filling up by the 20th and being unavailable the rest of the month. Toward that end, it has fulfilled it's purpose.
08-07-2008, 05:01 PM
#16
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Nu,
I will try to further amplify what was already said which is pretty good information. Basically guys on reserve are grouped by days of availability and trips assigned by "RAW Score" which is basically a number calculated by a Cray Supercomputer and subsequently verified by "HAL" from 2001.
The more you fly and the more short calls you have (I think) the higher your RAW score.
The groups of days of availability are 4 days or greater, 3 days, 2 days or 1 day. So for example if there are 5 guys with 5 days of availability and 5 guys with 4 days all will be grouped into the 4+ day group. Out of those 10 guys the guy with the lowest RAW score will get the first 4 day trip, the next lowest RAW score will get the next trip etc. It is important to note that RAW scores normally do not matter between days of availability, for instance a guy with 2 days of availability will not normally be assigned a 1 day trip if there is someone with 1 day of availability regardless of who has the lowest RAW score. So for all practicable purposes you are “competing” mainly with guys who have the same number of days of availability. Short calls are assigned by the “WOPR” computer from War Games and only Matthew Broderick knows the logic to it.
Currently up to 8 per month (6 on the Joint Contract) although if you are flying on reserve you will most likely have a lot less.
The system is hard to describe, but once you suffer through it for a few months you will pretty much get the gist of it. Reserve can be a good deal if you live close to the airport but generally should be avoided by commuters unless you want to hang out at a crash pad. Basically the system was designed to smooth out the hours flown. With our previous system seniority had a lot of clout to the point where pilots could hit their monthly maximum and were not eligible to fly the last week of the month. The result of this was the system had to carry extra reserves the whole month just to cover occasional shortages. I recall us having something like 30 reserve lines for every 100 hard lines and I think we are now shooting for 15 or less. The current system still favors seniority, but only slightly. You can request specific trips, short call, or have your RAW score lowered so you will be more likely to fly.
The way our system is set up we are merely employee numbers (Bob Seger anybody)to the schedulers who are all centrally located in Atlanta. Nevertheless I have had good luck requesting specifics, for example requesting the early short call on my last day so I could commute home, I also have had good luck getting released early on my last day but have also heard stories of guys being unnecessarily held on duty for no apparent reason.
With all of this being said I guess there will have to be some tweaking with NW long Pacific trips etc.
Scoop
I will try to further amplify what was already said which is pretty good information. Basically guys on reserve are grouped by days of availability and trips assigned by "RAW Score" which is basically a number calculated by a Cray Supercomputer and subsequently verified by "HAL" from 2001.
The more you fly and the more short calls you have (I think) the higher your RAW score.The groups of days of availability are 4 days or greater, 3 days, 2 days or 1 day. So for example if there are 5 guys with 5 days of availability and 5 guys with 4 days all will be grouped into the 4+ day group. Out of those 10 guys the guy with the lowest RAW score will get the first 4 day trip, the next lowest RAW score will get the next trip etc. It is important to note that RAW scores normally do not matter between days of availability, for instance a guy with 2 days of availability will not normally be assigned a 1 day trip if there is someone with 1 day of availability regardless of who has the lowest RAW score. So for all practicable purposes you are “competing” mainly with guys who have the same number of days of availability. Short calls are assigned by the “WOPR” computer from War Games and only Matthew Broderick knows the logic to it.
Currently up to 8 per month (6 on the Joint Contract) although if you are flying on reserve you will most likely have a lot less.The system is hard to describe, but once you suffer through it for a few months you will pretty much get the gist of it. Reserve can be a good deal if you live close to the airport but generally should be avoided by commuters unless you want to hang out at a crash pad. Basically the system was designed to smooth out the hours flown. With our previous system seniority had a lot of clout to the point where pilots could hit their monthly maximum and were not eligible to fly the last week of the month. The result of this was the system had to carry extra reserves the whole month just to cover occasional shortages. I recall us having something like 30 reserve lines for every 100 hard lines and I think we are now shooting for 15 or less. The current system still favors seniority, but only slightly. You can request specific trips, short call, or have your RAW score lowered so you will be more likely to fly.
The way our system is set up we are merely employee numbers (Bob Seger anybody)to the schedulers who are all centrally located in Atlanta. Nevertheless I have had good luck requesting specifics, for example requesting the early short call on my last day so I could commute home, I also have had good luck getting released early on my last day but have also heard stories of guys being unnecessarily held on duty for no apparent reason.
With all of this being said I guess there will have to be some tweaking with NW long Pacific trips etc.
Scoop
08-07-2008, 05:41 PM
#17
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So, there's nothing in the contract about being released by 6 PM on your last day of reserve? I wish they would have kept that bit from the NWA contract. Over here, if you haven't been assigned a trip by 6 PM on your final day, you are automatically released without needing to call anyone.
Last edited by PropNWA; 08-07-2008 at 05:48 PM.
08-07-2008, 06:15 PM
#18
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Prop,
I don't think so, but what I would do was call the day prior to my last day of reserve when they were assigning short call (AM Atlanta time) for my last day and ask for the 0300 or 0500 short call. Usually I would get it, but not always. If I got the 0300 I would call at 1200 or 1300 depending on my desired flight and ask to be released, once again I usually was accomodated.
Scoop
I don't think so, but what I would do was call the day prior to my last day of reserve when they were assigning short call (AM Atlanta time) for my last day and ask for the 0300 or 0500 short call. Usually I would get it, but not always. If I got the 0300 I would call at 1200 or 1300 depending on my desired flight and ask to be released, once again I usually was accomodated.
Scoop
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