DAL In-House Union?
02-18-2009 | 12:19 PM
#101
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If you want to help, reference my post above and get involved with your REPs. If you really want things to change for this profession, we all have to do our part.
02-18-2009 | 12:22 PM
#102
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Read the title of this thread and judge for yourself how relevant your comment is. Start your own thread if you want to continue this senseless discussion that all involved should know have no end, and never will.
02-18-2009 | 01:10 PM
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Awesome posts there Rhino Driver. Amen!!!
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02-18-2009 | 03:06 PM
#104
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From: DHC-8 CA Furloughed
I am not a former VF103 guy. At one time I knew two members of the squadron. I am impressed with the history of the squadron all the way back to Tom Blackburn and Jack Ernie. I chose the avatar out of respect. I served in a different branch of the military. Thank you for the good wishes.
02-18-2009 | 03:11 PM
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From: Delta Colors Busholio
JK but you could always send Vinny and the guys over for a visit.
02-18-2009 | 03:21 PM
#106
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Why don't you stop complaining about scope and do something about it. You accuse the major pilots of giving it all away.
I am not exactly complaining, I just think that we, as a profession, wound up here because we did not clearly see this coming and some unfortunate decisions were made by pilot groups in years past.
I'm assuming that the majority (not all) of regional pilots hope to one day get hired by a major airline. You're looking for a better QOL, better work rules, duty rigs, and our course, better pay. We're (major airline pilots) looking for the same things. Make them better at the major carriers, and one day you will reap the rewards.
Secondly, I'm assuming that you're looking for help from the major airline pilots (ALPA ones that is) because we're all in the same union and should be fighting for each other. True brotherhood!
We (major airline pilots) want to take our flying back. We want our routes back. We want our pay back. The regional guys claim to want this as well because it will someday increase their QOL, etc.
Regional guys, we need your help! We need you to REFUSE to fly anything over 300NM and anything larger than 50 seats. Contact your Reps and let them know how you feel. Let them know how tired you are of the mainline guys giving up on scope and how you want all that flying that has come to the regionals the last 10 years to go back to mainline. This is your duty. We really need your help. This will ultimately be a benefit to all of us.
I have some trouble following you. You have spoken of seperate major and regional unions and you also speak of us all working together. I favor converting 70+ seaters to the majors. But I also think that regional pilots that have paid union dues for years should be given a structure and path into the majors flying those aircraft. If you are sticking to your idea that seperate unions are a good idea, what incentive is there for regional pilots to give away their moderate paying jobs in this economy? Should they be satisfied with a glimmer of hope at a major job someday?
Also, negotiate a common pay scale amoungst all the regional carriers. This will help curb the whipsawing and cutthroat fighting among you.
Great idea for major carriers, too.
...Stop the infighting. Work together. Let's show true brotherhood and help this industy and profession get back on it's feet.
I am not exactly complaining, I just think that we, as a profession, wound up here because we did not clearly see this coming and some unfortunate decisions were made by pilot groups in years past.
I'm assuming that the majority (not all) of regional pilots hope to one day get hired by a major airline. You're looking for a better QOL, better work rules, duty rigs, and our course, better pay. We're (major airline pilots) looking for the same things. Make them better at the major carriers, and one day you will reap the rewards.
Secondly, I'm assuming that you're looking for help from the major airline pilots (ALPA ones that is) because we're all in the same union and should be fighting for each other. True brotherhood!
We (major airline pilots) want to take our flying back. We want our routes back. We want our pay back. The regional guys claim to want this as well because it will someday increase their QOL, etc.
Regional guys, we need your help! We need you to REFUSE to fly anything over 300NM and anything larger than 50 seats. Contact your Reps and let them know how you feel. Let them know how tired you are of the mainline guys giving up on scope and how you want all that flying that has come to the regionals the last 10 years to go back to mainline. This is your duty. We really need your help. This will ultimately be a benefit to all of us.
I have some trouble following you. You have spoken of seperate major and regional unions and you also speak of us all working together. I favor converting 70+ seaters to the majors. But I also think that regional pilots that have paid union dues for years should be given a structure and path into the majors flying those aircraft. If you are sticking to your idea that seperate unions are a good idea, what incentive is there for regional pilots to give away their moderate paying jobs in this economy? Should they be satisfied with a glimmer of hope at a major job someday?
Also, negotiate a common pay scale amoungst all the regional carriers. This will help curb the whipsawing and cutthroat fighting among you.
Great idea for major carriers, too.
...Stop the infighting. Work together. Let's show true brotherhood and help this industy and profession get back on it's feet.
02-18-2009 | 04:11 PM
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02-19-2009 | 08:58 AM
#108
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I wonder what the feeling about staying with ALPA will be when Prater signs up AirTran and uses Delta dues money to prop them up?
Some interesting commentary here.
"Our routes" ...wake up...you don't "own" any routes. That went away with Deregulation in '78. So did your "right" to them.
"Your Jobs" A lot of "your jobs" wouldn't be there if majors hadn't signed deals with regionals to FEED "your" planes. Unless you plan of driving that 76ER into Huntsville or Boise to pick up 15 or 20 folks.
Wake up and understand that airline pilots are nothing more than blue collar numbers to management. We just wear white shirts to work and somehow think we are better than the guy who dispatches us, the guy who loads us or the FA who puts up with the *******s in the back.
The problem today is too many of us have forgotten history and believe we are special. Your "I got mine, you regional guys get your own" churns my gut. When you go on strike, they're the first ones you want to support you, not fly and pay strike benefits. And you crap on them?
Smooth move.
As to civilian versus military? Some good some bad on both sides. I've flown with both in my right seat. Personally, I'll take a guy who paid his own way, flew crap planes in a low altitude NE corridor IFR winter slogging it out with multiple legs a day in soaking wet shoes. Not only does he have a much better grip on reality when the magic goes "poof," he understands what it means to come up the hard way. He doesn't have a military pension, Guard or Reserve slot to fall back on when the crap hits the fan, and is much more appreciative of those around him who don't fly the plane, but make it possible for him to.
Some interesting commentary here.
"Our routes" ...wake up...you don't "own" any routes. That went away with Deregulation in '78. So did your "right" to them.
"Your Jobs" A lot of "your jobs" wouldn't be there if majors hadn't signed deals with regionals to FEED "your" planes. Unless you plan of driving that 76ER into Huntsville or Boise to pick up 15 or 20 folks.
Wake up and understand that airline pilots are nothing more than blue collar numbers to management. We just wear white shirts to work and somehow think we are better than the guy who dispatches us, the guy who loads us or the FA who puts up with the *******s in the back.
The problem today is too many of us have forgotten history and believe we are special. Your "I got mine, you regional guys get your own" churns my gut. When you go on strike, they're the first ones you want to support you, not fly and pay strike benefits. And you crap on them?
Smooth move.
As to civilian versus military? Some good some bad on both sides. I've flown with both in my right seat. Personally, I'll take a guy who paid his own way, flew crap planes in a low altitude NE corridor IFR winter slogging it out with multiple legs a day in soaking wet shoes. Not only does he have a much better grip on reality when the magic goes "poof," he understands what it means to come up the hard way. He doesn't have a military pension, Guard or Reserve slot to fall back on when the crap hits the fan, and is much more appreciative of those around him who don't fly the plane, but make it possible for him to.
02-19-2009 | 12:41 PM
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As to civilian versus military? Some good some bad on both sides. I've flown with both in my right seat. Personally, I'll take a guy who paid his own way, flew crap planes in a low altitude NE corridor IFR winter slogging it out with multiple legs a day in soaking wet shoes. Not only does he have a much better grip on reality when the magic goes "poof," he understands what it means to come up the hard way. He doesn't have a military pension, Guard or Reserve slot to fall back on when the crap hits the fan, and is much more appreciative of those around him who don't fly the plane, but make it possible for him to.
You miss something too. I'm sure the guys who do have something on the side, ie Guard, Reserves, their own business, whatever, are much less likely to take crap when it starts coming their way. You'd probably be one of the first to scream bloody strike, and take off running to the cockpit to fly for the company when it actually transpired!
When the magic goes "poof?" Are you referring to some type of emergency situation? I assure you, the military guys deal with that ******* much more than you can imagine. I've flown more single engine, degraded approaches than I care to remember.
But I do agree, some good, some bad on both sides.
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