DAL/NWA early out?
05-11-2009 | 03:30 AM
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[quote=Ralphie;608037]They don't come out and say it in so many words. Two direct quotes from MGMT...
1) Delta said in a statement that it "continues to take every step possible to avoid involuntary reductions of frontline employees as a result of current economic conditions."
...i.e., they're already planting the "this is due to the economy, not the merger" seed.
This statement is taken out of context. It did not reference or refer to pilots. Delta has always dealt with the pilots and pilots issues seperate from "frontline employees". If he had posted the entire letter it was very clear it did not apply nor was aimed at pilots. The payback on a furlough is about the 2 year point. There are still no plans to furlough regardless of the outcome of the PERP.
1) Delta said in a statement that it "continues to take every step possible to avoid involuntary reductions of frontline employees as a result of current economic conditions."
...i.e., they're already planting the "this is due to the economy, not the merger" seed.
This statement is taken out of context. It did not reference or refer to pilots. Delta has always dealt with the pilots and pilots issues seperate from "frontline employees". If he had posted the entire letter it was very clear it did not apply nor was aimed at pilots. The payback on a furlough is about the 2 year point. There are still no plans to furlough regardless of the outcome of the PERP.
05-11-2009 | 05:33 AM
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Management has to have decided that offering an early out is cheaper than furloughing. They also have to have decided that most, if not all, positions vacated at the top of the list will not be replaced. 
There may be training going on because of an early out but it wont be much.
One of the reasons that pilots are never offered an early out is that someone has to fly the widebody airplanes and whomever does is going to be paid the same thing since we are on a twelve year payscale. So whether they are 60 or 48, the same cost is still there. Now, if the positions just disappear, the company can see the advantage to offering an early out vs a furlough. The advantage to us at the moment is, hopefully, no displacements and in the future, if we ever start expanding again, faster upgrades. Hopefully this will happen but I'm not holding my breath.
Either way, if the company is offering this with no strings attached, I say go for it and see how many will take it!!!! What have we got to loose?
Denny
There may be training going on because of an early out but it wont be much.One of the reasons that pilots are never offered an early out is that someone has to fly the widebody airplanes and whomever does is going to be paid the same thing since we are on a twelve year payscale. So whether they are 60 or 48, the same cost is still there. Now, if the positions just disappear, the company can see the advantage to offering an early out vs a furlough. The advantage to us at the moment is, hopefully, no displacements and in the future, if we ever start expanding again, faster upgrades. Hopefully this will happen but I'm not holding my breath.
Either way, if the company is offering this with no strings attached, I say go for it and see how many will take it!!!! What have we got to loose?
Denny
05-11-2009 | 05:48 AM
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I can see MEM, CVG, or even MSP or SLC closing before DTW.
05-11-2009 | 06:01 AM
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Neither the company or ALPA has mentioned anything about furloughs. This program is not a furlough mitigation concept. It is designed to reduce training costs to the company and get pilots who will go many months or even a year without any revenue production. We will be overmanned next winter. Manning for the following summer is about right. If the program goes through and a substantial number of pilots take the program the company will have to hire if marketing does not make a change in the block hour program.
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Thanks for the info.
05-11-2009 | 06:52 AM
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My point was that it's over. No hits, runs, or balls (that's our Union). We're one. I frankly don't give a rat's ass how this merger came about or who had the better this or that. I want to provide for my family and work somewhere semi-fun if possible. Get the f...k over it!
I'm still gonna look good in the Whale after Moak removes the fences
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05-11-2009 | 07:00 AM
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05-11-2009 | 07:03 AM
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