Another CAL (Colgan) incident?
05-14-2009 | 02:57 AM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
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Why in the world is Continental Airlines contracting out their business to a bottom feeder airline like Colgan? Oh nevermind, it's because CAL is getting the cheapest rate from Colgan.
After the BUF crash, I cannot believe that Colgan just had a wheel fall off a Dash 8 yesterday.
Sorry CAL guys, but your management is running your airline into the dirt in my opinion.
My family will not fly on CAL again until they get rid of the bottom feeding commuters like Colgan.
Incident: Colgan DH8D at Buffalo on May 12th 2009, lost wheel on landing
Incident: Colgan DH8D at Buffalo on May 12th 2009, lost wheel on landing
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, May 13th 2009 09:13Z, last updated Wednesday, May 13th 2009 09:13Z
A Colgan Air de Havilland Dash 8-400, registration N187WQ performing flight 9L-3268 from Newark,NJ to Buffalo,NY (USA), had landed on Buffalo's runway 23 and was taxiing to the ramp via taxiway Alpha, when the tower queried the crew, whether they had lost a tire. After an affirmative reply from the crew emergency services inspected the taxiway and decided to also have a look onto the runway, then reported that fluid, possibly from hydraulics, was on the runway and a whole wheel had been located with debris around the intersections of runway 23, runway 32 and taxiway Alpha. Both runways were closed, runway 32 reopened about 10 minutes later.
After the BUF crash, I cannot believe that Colgan just had a wheel fall off a Dash 8 yesterday.
Sorry CAL guys, but your management is running your airline into the dirt in my opinion.
My family will not fly on CAL again until they get rid of the bottom feeding commuters like Colgan.
Incident: Colgan DH8D at Buffalo on May 12th 2009, lost wheel on landing
Incident: Colgan DH8D at Buffalo on May 12th 2009, lost wheel on landing
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, May 13th 2009 09:13Z, last updated Wednesday, May 13th 2009 09:13Z
A Colgan Air de Havilland Dash 8-400, registration N187WQ performing flight 9L-3268 from Newark,NJ to Buffalo,NY (USA), had landed on Buffalo's runway 23 and was taxiing to the ramp via taxiway Alpha, when the tower queried the crew, whether they had lost a tire. After an affirmative reply from the crew emergency services inspected the taxiway and decided to also have a look onto the runway, then reported that fluid, possibly from hydraulics, was on the runway and a whole wheel had been located with debris around the intersections of runway 23, runway 32 and taxiway Alpha. Both runways were closed, runway 32 reopened about 10 minutes later.
grow up.
05-14-2009 | 03:48 AM
#22
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From: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
"Cook", wake up and quit being such a tool.
Your rational is just about as "knee jerk" as today's media circus. Do us all a favor, remind us all to keep our own family's off any flights that YOU may be working in the near future.
Your world must be sad an pathetic
Your rational is just about as "knee jerk" as today's media circus. Do us all a favor, remind us all to keep our own family's off any flights that YOU may be working in the near future.
Your world must be sad an pathetic
05-14-2009 | 08:12 AM
#26
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From: Guppy Capt.
"Also, take into acct the cockpit voice recording released yesterday where the CP said she has NEVER flown in icing before yet she is hired for an airline that services the NE US. Also, the article read that anti-icing is not covered in Colgan training."
Ok, WHAT does that have to do with anything. Where is she, or anyone for that matter, supposed to get "icing experience"? In a C-172? In night freight operations single pilot? Gotta start somewhere.
As far as anti-icing NOT being covered in training, I highly doubt it.
"Carriers should adopt a program for first officers contemplating upgrade must operate in winter conditions for a full season."
When I was there, the chief pilot at the time was concerned about me upgrading so quick, without having a FULL season in. I did OE in Feb/March, out of Augusta, Bar Harbor, Rockland, Boston, and Rutland routes. It was now AUG/SEP going back in to the season by the time I was back on the line.
I did upgrade, but I know they weren't too quick to just do it with out consideration.
Ok, WHAT does that have to do with anything. Where is she, or anyone for that matter, supposed to get "icing experience"? In a C-172? In night freight operations single pilot? Gotta start somewhere.
As far as anti-icing NOT being covered in training, I highly doubt it.
"Carriers should adopt a program for first officers contemplating upgrade must operate in winter conditions for a full season."
When I was there, the chief pilot at the time was concerned about me upgrading so quick, without having a FULL season in. I did OE in Feb/March, out of Augusta, Bar Harbor, Rockland, Boston, and Rutland routes. It was now AUG/SEP going back in to the season by the time I was back on the line.
I did upgrade, but I know they weren't too quick to just do it with out consideration.
05-14-2009 | 08:59 AM
#27
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Indeed. I agree that one should hear the full story before jumping to conclusions.
The Q400 came onto final approach with all tires and gears intact. It was a normal landing with no particular crunch to it. The aircraft rolled out and exited Runway 23 on Taxiway Golf to Taxiway Alpha. Halfway up Alpha and to the ramp. The inboard antiskid caution light dings. Just about immediately after. The flight attendant calls the flight deck and informs them that a passenger saw a wheel come off from the right side of the aircraft right after touchdown. A second after that, ATC calls and asks if Colgan had lost anything because someone at the flying tigers FBO had spotted something come off the aircraft upon landing. The crew responds that apparently they were just told from a flight attendant that they had lost a tire but had no visual affirmation or indication of that in the flight deck aside from the antiskid light that had just gone off. At that point the aircraft was at a complete stop and the crew noticed that all the hydraulics were draining and nosewheel steering was lost. Assistance was requested.
On any other day, any other airline, any other airport, this wouldn't have gotten as much attention.
The Q400 came onto final approach with all tires and gears intact. It was a normal landing with no particular crunch to it. The aircraft rolled out and exited Runway 23 on Taxiway Golf to Taxiway Alpha. Halfway up Alpha and to the ramp. The inboard antiskid caution light dings. Just about immediately after. The flight attendant calls the flight deck and informs them that a passenger saw a wheel come off from the right side of the aircraft right after touchdown. A second after that, ATC calls and asks if Colgan had lost anything because someone at the flying tigers FBO had spotted something come off the aircraft upon landing. The crew responds that apparently they were just told from a flight attendant that they had lost a tire but had no visual affirmation or indication of that in the flight deck aside from the antiskid light that had just gone off. At that point the aircraft was at a complete stop and the crew noticed that all the hydraulics were draining and nosewheel steering was lost. Assistance was requested.
On any other day, any other airline, any other airport, this wouldn't have gotten as much attention.
05-14-2009 | 04:38 PM
#30
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Dont just assume they knew they lost a wheel and said "the heck with it," and continued to taxi
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