Respect my Authority??? (UAL)
07-16-2009 | 10:20 AM
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T, I was thinking the same thing - the 767ER did GRU - JFK in about 9:30 if I remember correctly - and GRU - ORD is about 400 nm further!
07-16-2009 | 11:06 AM
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Just a guess, probably was their time in the air from GRU-MIA. Likely once they were North of South America, and after the CA witnessed the 'grazing' in progress, he kicked it up to a bit on the MACH to get the process roll'in in kick'in the 'purser' off. Not wasting too much time in his/her decision
Who knows, could have been a commuter??
07-16-2009 | 11:15 AM
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I believe in the PIC's authority, but unless there was a safety risk resulting from this incident, is it really appropriate to divert a flight? Just having an argument with another crew member or some other type of disagreement? Now before we all jump on the 'we don't know the circumstances here so let's withold judgement'; let's discuss this in the broad sense of ANY flight. What type of situation would be a serious enough of a safety risk to rate diverting the flight. I'm also making an assumption here that diverting a flight is a pretty big deal for reasons from scheduling, cost, and passenger inconveinence.
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Arguing with another crew member in public comes to mind...especially if it was the CA. Legally I think he would be justified if the FA refused to comply with a legit direct order...regardless of how minor the issue was.
07-16-2009 | 12:24 PM
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United's hidden plan this whole...finding a warp in the space time continuum to beat any OAL block times 
Looks like the planned flight time is 10:11.
I am glad that the Capt is exercising his authority and I hope that there was a justifiable reason otherwise there will be rumbles of giving a Pursur authority
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Looks like the planned flight time is 10:11.
I am glad that the Capt is exercising his authority and I hope that there was a justifiable reason otherwise there will be rumbles of giving a Pursur authority
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07-16-2009 | 12:46 PM
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It's hard to believe a captain would do that without a good reason, knowing that a rug dance in front of the chief pilot (or higher) would surely result from his action. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
07-16-2009 | 01:22 PM
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An unconfirmed detail of the situation is posted on another site....
Looks like it simply had to do with the CA wanting to sign the gen dec and the purser being unable to get someone to assist in guarding the cockpit door in a timely manner. CA ended up having the purser removed.
The CA has apparently been removed from the rest of his schedule as of this time... the purser has not.
Again, unconfirmed...
Looks like it simply had to do with the CA wanting to sign the gen dec and the purser being unable to get someone to assist in guarding the cockpit door in a timely manner. CA ended up having the purser removed.
The CA has apparently been removed from the rest of his schedule as of this time... the purser has not.
Again, unconfirmed...
07-16-2009 | 02:09 PM
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From a CRM standpoint, maybe said CA is a cockpit of 1. But one would have to guess that the FO and IRO/RFO/Bunkee/Scribe agreed with the CA's decision.
07-16-2009 | 05:50 PM
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I praise him for using Captains Authority! Until I hear more information, I am on the skippers side. Too many FA's have powertrips and think they are in charge (to an extent they are), however the Captain has the final say about ANY issue.
There is a reason why most pilots have college degree's (most places require it now) and FA's can have high school education....
There is a reason why most pilots have college degree's (most places require it now) and FA's can have high school education....
07-16-2009 | 06:57 PM
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Regardless of the circumstances, I would not have diverted the aircraft. If the FA refused one of my orders, and there were witnesses, I would do the following:
1. Inform FA that if my order was not followed, I would have him/her/it arrested upon arrival for interfering with a flight crew member in the performance of his duties. That is a Federal beef, so conviction would mean the inability to ever work for an airline again.
2. If FA still refused, I would see step 1 through to the end immediately upon arrival.
Carl
1. Inform FA that if my order was not followed, I would have him/her/it arrested upon arrival for interfering with a flight crew member in the performance of his duties. That is a Federal beef, so conviction would mean the inability to ever work for an airline again.
2. If FA still refused, I would see step 1 through to the end immediately upon arrival.
Carl
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