ToiletDuck

Speculation and discussion are one thing. Statements of fact with no backing are another.

johnso29

TD,

When has anybody in this thread implied that anything was other then speculation?

G-Dog

I still do not see how this could happen. Are you suggesting that DAL takes the 175s from RAH? Or is RAH going to give them up voluntarily? Please elaborate.

johnso29

I believe the implication is that RAH would make a transaction involving the E175's. I don't think any DAL guys think or are implying that DAL will simply take the Shuttle America DCI E175s & give them to Compass. I really don't think that is even an option.

Many of us are spewing pure speculation. It's not intended to stir the pot IMO.

shiznit

Just remember, CPZ can only operate 36 jets over 86,000lbs. The carve out was for "jets that had already been ordered".

IF and that is a real big "IF", CPZ gets E-175's previously owned by RAH in some weird kind of airline 3-way:

They cannot be certificated over 86,000lbs MGTOW. If the RAH jets have been modded as some allegedly think, then they MUST BE FLOWN BY DAL PILOTS!

newKnow

What if you state for a fact that you are speculating?

FlyinPiker

Stated as a fact, but in the end just hopeful speculation.

We all openly admit we are guessing here and there has been some pretty good discussion about what everyone has or will be able to gain by working deals with each other.

It's different when possible outcomes of the discussion might directly negatively effect you though. I think that's why you see so many more non-Republic/Airways/F9/Midwest types participating on this thread.

Dougdrvr

Who's Airways? Did Repubic buy them too?

Burn Notice

Sorry, just getting caught up from a few days off. So, in complete and utter speculation Rightseat Ballast wrote:

If you watch what Bedford is doing, he appears to be buying up a comprehensive route structure in the Midwestern US. Assuming both the F9 and YX deals are completed, RAH will have independent hubs in Denver, kansas City, and Milwaukee. Add to that a strong presence in Indianapolis and Columbus (and to some degree St. Loius), and it seems that Bedford is gunning to enter the market at the dominant airline for Midwesterners to fly on. It is a smaller market, and is generally underserved (excluding Chicago) by the rest of the industry. For travelers looking for point to point or delay-free service within the Midwest, RAH will offer a compelling option. For any major carrier that wants to access that market share, a codesharing agreement would be mutually beneficial. This is why I think Bedford has gotten the blessing of his major parnters, and why his actions are not seen as being threatening. The only carriers gunning for MKE are Airtran and Southwest, two airlines that RAH does not have a relationship with. Everyone who deals with RAH is just sitting on the sidelines. By keeping the Shuttle America contract, Delta is quietly funding an (albeit minor) effort to take money away from Airtran and Southwest, two of the more established threats to the legacy carriers. The only bigger worries out there are Allegient and Spirit, but it will be another decade before those two make mainline pilots cry over their beers.

I think(once again, purely speculative) that Southwest is really being overlooked as the main competitor for RAH in this instance. For point to point/delay free service in the midwest I would think Southwest owns that market since that is the core fundamentals that got them started. They are cutting capacity in other parts of their route structure but continue to beef up Denver. They own Midway and St. Louis. The rest of the midwest is underserved because the traffic just isn't there. I don't think DAL will tolerate RAH as competition just to stifle LUV or AAI because that would just be funding RAH's war chest when they eventually go head to head. Further muddying the waters, is DAL/NWA still considering MKE a focus city? I know they were pretty aggressive there before.

And finally, I don't cry over my beers. It dilutes them, so I make sure to lean to one side when I cry.

Burn Notice

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