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07-30-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by flyguy23

Be careful what you wish for. This could put all F9 pilots out of work. Southwest won't want the planes or the pilots, just the marketshare in Denver.

I would have to disagree.

Take a chance on a job with Southwest verses a guaranteed job at Republic. To two companies and pilot groups don't even compare.

The Frontier pilots will be integrated into Southwest.

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07-30-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MD80

NOT A CHANCE!

07-30-2009, 01:00 PM

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Remember what SWA did when they took over ATA.......

07-30-2009, 01:01 PM

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I don't think this is exactly good news for United Airlines either. SWA already has a toehold in Denver, and this is only going to make things worse (for UAL).

07-30-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aviatormjc

The poolies probably would have precedence over the Frontier pilots unfortunately. This move for Southwest is not growth, it is killing its prey at its weakest.

Sad times for Frontier. A guaranteed job with Republic's low-pay or a possible interview at Southwest.

Not if the DAL/NWA merger is used as any precedent. The bottom 40 pilots on the list are all DAL-S pilots that were actually working, but deemed to have been hired AFTER the effective date of the merger. "Poolies" haven't "EARNED" anything, and are of even lower stature.

07-30-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg

Or way better than TWA treated Ozark, or NWA treated Republic, or Delta treated Western, or North Central treated Huges Air West, or...

I am a former Western pilot. We were treated very well by Delta. The majority of Western pilots had fantastic careers after the merger. Almost every one could have ended their career as a senior international Captain. Their pay doubled within 2 years of the merger and for most was triple within 5 years of the merger. The integration was based on ratio's to maintain your current ability to hold equipment and was a negotiated settlement between the two sides. It did not even go to arbitration.
The majority retired with a better retirement then their Delta counterparts when looking at total compensation. Westen Annuity, Western B fund, Delta DB plan and Delta DC plan. The bankruptcy resulted in some loss of income for the Western retires but far less then the original Delta pilots because of the breakdown in how the money was paid and what the PBGC covered. Considering the state of the industry since 1986 when the purchase took place I am not sure how much better it could have been.

07-30-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Patch

I'm sure UAL is just thrilled.. Yet another kick in the Nutts..

Music to my ears. Great post! I like the SWA offer

07-30-2009, 01:23 PM

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I have no doubt that Republic would get rid of the Airbuses, but they would replace them with E-190/195s like they are doing with Midwest. This is why an integrated seniority list with Republic pilots would be beneficial to Frontier pilots as Republic has done in the past with Shuttle America. That would guarantee them a future, however unfortunately, at a much lower wage unless they negotiate a better contract.

Show me the RAH integration proposal for FNT (or Midex for that matter) from either their MEC or RAH and I'll consider your argument. So far SW has indicated more about what they will do with employees than RAH has........

07-30-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pjflyer

"Boost low-fare competition"! This is why mainline jobs continue to be lost (more at CAL soon). The blame game will soon shift from regionals who do the lost work of their manline partner's to LCC's that continue to eat up mainline jobs. Change you (unfortunately) have to believe in!

There is a huge difference between any regional and SWA. While you hate to see mainline jobs lost, SWA doesn't seem like a bad alternative. Employees are paid and treated well, industry leading infact. I think Southwest has been a bright spot in the industry rather than the one to bring it down. Instead of blaming Southwest, Mainline needs to figure out how to compete with SWA rather than beating them at their own game.

07-30-2009, 01:35 PM

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Southwest makes counter-bid for Frontier Airlines - Yahoo! Finance

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Dallas-based Southwest said Thursday it submitted a nonbinding bid of $113.6 million. Southwest hopes that making the bid will allow it to talk with Frontier and get information to help shape its final proposal.

Southwest said it faces an Aug. 10 deadline for submitting a binding bid. If there is more than one qualified bidder, an auction will be held the following day.

Ok folks....simmer down.

I can not see F9 accepting this offer as it is only 5.6 mil more the RAH offer. Why would F9 accept this offer knowing it is an offer that will liqudate them?
WN has submiited a non-binding proposal in hopes to talk with F9, which means WN is not very serious about buying Frontier.
WN have until Aug 10 to submit a binding proposal, something I don't see WN meeting. Its 11 days from today!
I can't see any judge approving this because, WN is making it very clear they have every intention of liquidating its competition in Denver.

Ok...How will this benefit F9 Pilots. This is a double-edge sword moment in which to determine which side of the sword is the sharpest to cut your throat. The sharpest side will kill you, while the other side will leave scared for life, but alive!

One side of the sword has F9 possibly taking a significant pay cut, but keeping your jobs. The other side is getting liquidated and hoping to get a merged seniority list at WN. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY MERGER OF SENIORITY LIST AT WN!!!! (ITS A PIPE DREAM!)

Either way, F9 will not come out of this unscathed!