I hope RAH includes all 400 or so YX pilots in the integration and not just the approximately 120 that's been talked about. A lot of YX guys have probably moved anyway.

 

How much 18 million-----??


Here is some Math for you:

3M $1 per seat per hour first year FO
ASA $.35 per seat per hour first year FO

3M no hot reserves or stand ups, last plane parked by 10pm
ASA Hmmmmmmmmmm

3M based in Florida and home in own bed most nights.
ASA ???????????????????? Atlanta sucks

Oh yeah you have a jet with FMS and Autopilot...SJS indeed?

 

The reason only a portion of the YX guys have been "talked about" is based upon the fact that "active" pilots have been treated completely different than "inactive" pilots historically speaking, especially with respect to SLI arbitrations. Furloughs have historically received some fairly harsh treatment.

Has anyone actually read some of the arbitration's that have occurred over the past 50 years? If you are a RAH guy, or YX guy, or F9 guy, I can't imagine not trying to learn about how this process has evolved.

If you read three or four arbitrations you will find that the format is very similiar, almost as if they have a boiler-plate document and they just fill in the blanks. If you read a dozen or so you will begin to see the same exact sentences written over and over, mostly because the same exact arbitrators have been ruling on this topic for the past five decades, and they are also the same gentlemen that appear on everyone's short list for this merger.

 

I sent an application to Delta, United, Continental, Southwest etc. I guess they weren't impressed with all my flight instructing time. They said something about needing turbine time.

I thought ASA was a better choice than Mesa, GoJet, TSA, or Gulf Stream Academy. ASA certainly doesn't have a mainline contract but it's better than the aforementioned so since I have to get my turbine experience somewhere (like all of us do when we sign up for a regional hoping to go to a major) I thought ASA would be a "lesser of two evils."

I certainly didn't want to pay $32,000 (I didn't have it anyways) to join the First Officer program at Gulf Stream.

I didn't take the 50 seaters from the majors, chapter 11 and a lack of foresight by mainline pilots relaxed scope and allowed them to end up at the regionals. If I could give them back I'd gladly would even if I couldn't find another flying job for years. I'm definitely encouraged by every Delta mainline pilot I meet that wants to hold the line on scope and stop the growth of the regionals and I'll do everything in my power to help them keep 100 seaters at mainline.

Since the 50 seater ship has set sail and I need turbine time to get to the majors I'd thought I'd work for a regional with a better contract (even if it is only slightly better) than one that simply had quick upgrade times.

 

The MEH MEC will be making several different arguments on behalf of several different groups of furloughed pilots. The fact that last fall direct replacement of MEH pilots by RAH 170's , leads me to believe that this will not just follow a historical pattern. At a minimum this is somewhat unique.

 

And I dont disagree with anything you said here, I just wish people would start realizing that there is no perfect scenario, for any of us that entered the industry, but I dont think slamming a particular pilot group, when we all have skeletons, is appropriate either. We all got a rude awakening when we entered the industry I think, and I'd like to see pilots put the past behind us and move foward to create a better future, and if you are doing that than kudo's. I came here because a Senior Pilot for a corporate place I was interested in told me to look here for some turbine time, sounds familiar eh? It has worked out for me (or will when I'm rescued from the pool...) But like many, I didnt just come here with Daddy's money to play pilot, I did however find out that there is a great group of pilots here and the job here was good for QOL for me. I enjoyed the time I've spent here and that wont change. I end the thread drift here.....

 

More than what we're hearing. Nothing.

Wait, that isn't entirely true. Apparently there is some more to come later.