Facts - NTSB Re: NWA 188
10-26-2009, 04:35 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Jughead
Get a life. You really don't even want to go there.
Bad week for Delta - yes.
Maybe it's not the time for you to engage in another mainline v regional ****ing match.
Bad week for Delta - yes.
Maybe it's not the time for you to engage in another mainline v regional ****ing match.
10-26-2009, 04:43 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by ZDub
Great. Letterman is doing the top ten airline pilot excuses tonight. Honestly. Well, here it goes....
These kind of problems are industry-wide, so please let go the "us vs them" childish games, clearly we all have bigger fish to fry.
10-26-2009, 04:43 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by GOCKY
I believe the dispatchers have the ability to "chime" the flight crew through ACARS. It would be difficult to ignore that.
fwiw The Bus doesnt "chime" when you get an acars message. All you get is a flashing message on the ECAM that says "company message".
10-26-2009, 05:13 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by goaround2000
Honestly, what were you expecting? You think this was just going to slide off. Every time there is an accident or an incident we all take the hit, very few people know the difference between mainline and regional other than when they enter the cabin. It is what it is guys, and I have no doubt that these guys are good people, yet this is probably the best example of normalization of deviance in the pilot culture industry-wide.
These kind of problems are industry-wide, so please let go the "us vs them" childish games, clearly we all have bigger fish to fry.
These kind of problems are industry-wide, so please let go the "us vs them" childish games, clearly we all have bigger fish to fry.
Last edited by ZDub; 10-26-2009 at 05:16 PM. Reason: Ditched the lost in translation italics
10-26-2009, 05:17 PM
#47
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Thank You
Originally Posted by goaround2000
Seriously guys, it doesn't matter why, or what they were doing, what matters is that they are guilty of gross negligence, you can't neglect your job for an 1:20 minutes. No one is perfect, least of all me, but by God, they almost deployed the F-16s! This is a black eye for our industry, and these guys deserve the axe for this, there's no excuses, sleeping, not sleeping, surfing the computer for a schedule tutorial, it's all the same, the outcome was the same, and as professionals, I'm sure they'll accept what's coming to them.
We should all learn from their mistakes, but please, whatever you do, do not try to defend this circumstance. It's already bad enough, without folks trying to justify it.
We should all learn from their mistakes, but please, whatever you do, do not try to defend this circumstance. It's already bad enough, without folks trying to justify it.
Assuming that the NTSB report is accurate, there is nothing short of certificate revocation that can be justified. We all make mistakes but this was absolutely inexcusable ! Period.
G'Day Mates and Q.E.D.
10-26-2009, 05:21 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Inconceivable
Ah for the good old days when the answer would have been "We were all coked up and double-teaming the lead while the S/O took polaroids. What's the problem?"
At least no one was drunk. I can't go through another six months of tub-stackers trying to sniff my breath in the morning without slugging someone.
At least no one was drunk. I can't go through another six months of tub-stackers trying to sniff my breath in the morning without slugging someone.
10-26-2009, 05:22 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Now is exactly the time to engage in this stupid "mainline vs. regional" pi$$ing match....This week proves there is no difference...I'm not gloating in this fact because we all just took another hit with these idiots....
Thankfully, no one was hurt and no metal was bent.
10-26-2009, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
And how many speculators that gave 101 reasons why this incident might have occurred that were inaccurate will come back and say they were wrong. Speculation is wrong in either case. If looking for an apology from one end of the spectrum - you should expect an apology from each.
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Even early on after the incident... for the life of me I can't understand why there were so many out there ready to throw themselves in the line of fire to defend these to noodnicks, even after they fessed up to screwing the pooch.
Yes I agree we are all human, and are subject to making mistakes. But come on... this was no mistake... this is border line criminal. These two should be glad that this did not occur in China for they would be assembling Airbuses at prisoner wages.
Last edited by captjns; 10-26-2009 at 05:35 PM.
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