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Old 12-20-2008, 08:19 AM
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Just got a mass email from our Contract Administrator and I find it to be contrary to the new kindler, gentler image DL management is trying to project.

I am hoping someone on the DL side can verify or dispel some of this info....

GRIEVANCES

We continue to receive many worksheets. Some
relate to NWA CBA provisions before DCC, some are
NWA CBA provisions in effect after DCC and others
are new DAL PWA provisions after DCC.

We have a lot of them, and not much is happening
with them.

While individual issues that come up seem able to be
resolved, we are being stiff-armed with delays on
most other outstanding cases. In this era of goodwill
and better relations, I have found things much more
difficult today than before DCC.

Northwest claims not to have authority to do
anything. DAL (both management and ALPA) have
demonstrated a lack of interest and action.


CONTRACT EDUCATION

Non-existent. We appear to be left on our own
to educate ourselves on our new contract.

This is the DAL PWA. We can all read the words
and make our own interpretations of what the
words mean but the DAL pilots need to educate
us on their agreement and how it actually works.

I have made repeated requests to the DAL pilots
to hold education meetings with our Contract
Admin LEC volunteers and staff. To date, the
DAL ALPA leadership has elected not to help us
with contract education.

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There were some other NW only issues that we are also being stonewalled on, but the above are the issues that are related to the "new" DL.

If anyone can verify some of this info it would be appreciated.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:29 AM
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my personal favorite is that the company is making all NWA pilots continue with the old NWA way of longevity increases. EVERYONE should move their longevity increases to the DAL way of DOH. For newhires we get off of probation at DOH but have to wait until "the first person in your class finished OE" before we increase to second year. Basically all nwa pilots are getting hosed out of 2 months sooner for longevity increases.

Everyone thinks its just the 190 newhires getting hosed on that but really everyone should be getting their longevity increased at DOH, except for those that are maxed out on longevity i suppose.
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Basically all nwa pilots are getting hosed out of 2 months sooner for longevity increases.
You're getting "hosed"? That's a pretty interesting way of looking at it...
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Ya know, until Jan 17th, when the new MEC is constituted, I wouldn't expect to see to much movement on separate union activities. Once all the committees are combined, that's when you will see movement.
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Originally Posted by E1Out
You're getting "hosed"? That's a pretty interesting way of looking at it...
Uh-Oh! Let's not start this again.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Uh-Oh! Let's not start this again.
Not to worry, the good news is the "Debbie Downers" are fewer and fewer on here all the time. Most real smart guys see this is a good deal for ALL of us going forward.

The DDs on our side are running for things they think the Delta guys can't get to. We all have them, life is just too short to debate them

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Originally Posted by E1Out
You're getting "hosed"? That's a pretty interesting way of looking at it...
I am trying to use the new Delta lingo that i have heard so much of

Bottom line is that the Delta way is for everyone to get longevity increases at DOH. The company is saying that the NWA pilots Shouldn't, even though that is whats in OUR contract now.
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Just got a mass email from our Contract Administrator and I find it to be contrary to the new kindler, gentler image DL management is trying to project.

I am hoping someone on the DL side can verify or dispel some of this info....
Frustrated response follows. I can't believe that we're devolving into this junk again. I'll call our CA folks Monday and verify. For similar reasons that Spackler wrote about Sailingfun's jumpseat post, I don't believe one bit of this. It's even more reprehensible that it's an "official" ALPA produced publication. What's the point of this communication anyway?

You've been getting stuff from your MEC administration since the merger process started (then broke apart) last February. You've seen many of the Delta MEC's communications discussed here as well. I've got a simple question for you.

Whose communications have been more accurate?

Before you answer, you might want to review YouTube, your roadshows, and your MEC Chair's testimony during the seniority list integration.

Then review the record of what actually happened.

There is a pattern with communications here. I talked with one of the transition group reps about the Duty Rigs. He was in the room when Section 12 was negotiated, as was your CA chairman that put this piece out. The guy that was in the room told me that everybody, including Ken Watts, acknowledged the intent of placing certain changes into bid period 5, including the duty rigs. It was his view that the rigs argument put forward by Watts was a grab for more than was negotiated by ALPA. The former NWA negotiating team and DAL's team met with management on the rigs issue just a couple of weeks back. Surprise, surprise, the record did not reflect your CA chair's point of view.

It's not FNWA MEC against DAL MEC and Delta management. On areas in which the record reflects a joint point of view, changes have been made. Look at the land grab former NWA management tried with sick leave. The DAL negotiators backed the NWA negotiators completely, as the DAL system was the intent of the negotiations. DAL (and FNWA management) agreed. NWA management changed their policy, eliminating Dr.'s notes and the 75% cutback for second sick calls.

I think our new Delta pilots formerly known as NWA pilots are really going to like incorporating the way DALPA does business into their union process. While DALPA is far from perfect, personally I can't wait until we have a single MEC and no more of this "he said-she said" baloney.
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Just got a mass email from our Contract Administrator and I find it to be contrary to the new kindler, gentler image DL management is trying to project.

We appear to be left on our own
to educate ourselves on our new contract.

DAL (both management and ALPA) have
demonstrated a lack of interest and action.

the DAL ALPA leadership has elected not to help us
with contract education.
To my new DAL (former NWA) brethren,

When you read posts such as these, you have a decision to make. Do you wish to align yourselves with those who foster hate and discontent within the pilot group by pitting one group against another and who apparently wish to turn the Red Book vs. Green Book mudslinging into RD vs FNWA mudslinging; or, do you wish to become part of a unified pilot group that will acknowledge the different paths from which we've come, but unify behind the single path we hope to forge in the years ahead? Do you wish to be two sub groups fighting one another, or the single largest pilot group in the world, collectively fighting to regain much of what's been lost since 9/11? The choice is yours, and it is a free choice each of us must make.

By distributing this mass email, your CA Chairman Ken Watts, and perhaps your entire MEC administration clearly identified which camp they choose to side with. Old habits die hard, I guess. Nosmo also appears to be leaning that way but I hope he'll reconsider. I know Ken, and I also know his DAL counterpart, and I can assure you, the new DAL ALPA will fight every bit as hard for each and every DAL pilot and will not consider anyone's background when determining to do the right thing. That's simply the way DAL ALPA operates.

The decision is yours.

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Old 12-20-2008, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
To my new DAL (former NWA) brethren,

When you read posts such as these, you have a decision to make. Do you wish to align yourselves with those who foster hate and discontent within the pilot group by pitting one group against another and who apparently wish to turn the Red Book vs. Green Book mudslinging into RD vs FNWA mudslinging
OK. Do we have that same decision to make when we get posts like this from Delta pilots?:

Originally Posted by sailingfun
...In one case the Captain ranted and raved about how he got screwed by the Roberts award for 5 minutes before telling him he would not take him...

...A friend of mine at NWA told me to keep one thing in mind as the merger progresses. He said "NWA is a culture of hate". If you understand that much of what happens will make sense...
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