NWA jumpseat Denial
01-04-2009, 11:56 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by JetFlyer06
The guys that waltz down the jetway and stroll up into the cockpit and announce "I've got your jumpseat"
In my experience, when it's the under 25 guys that ask, it comes out more like "dude, I gotz ur Jmpseat, LOLZ".
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01-06-2009, 08:57 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I will start off by saying that I don't know what the schedule was for flights between MSP and ATL over the past 6 months, but right now there are 5 flight a day between the two cities. 3 of them are DC-9's and 2 of them are Compass 76 seaters.
Also, six months ago the schedules were a lot different than they are now. For example, DTW-JFK used to be 3 DC-9s a day - now it's all Compass.
I've been denied the jumpseat by a NWA Captain - not recently but it happened. The other jumpseater (who I was traveling with) was let on and said the FO apologized profusely when the CA left the cockpit to go to the lav and said it had been a difficult trip with that CA.
I will agree that 99% of the Captains are happy to have you on board, but it's not always the case.
01-06-2009, 09:24 PM
#43
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ia,
It's just that it is still a little difficult to believe. We here at Old NWA take our jumpseating seriously, since as it has been pointed out many time before a lot, if not most of us commute. While all pilot groups have their share of nuts, in my opinion, there is almost no way someone could get denied 3 times in 6 months by a few captains. But, if it is the case, we want to get to the bottom of it, becuase it is uncalled for. I apologize for your denied jumpseat. Let's make sure it never happens again.
New K Now (Willing to be the jumpseat police-I can spread the word quicker than you can blink an eye
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It's just that it is still a little difficult to believe. We here at Old NWA take our jumpseating seriously, since as it has been pointed out many time before a lot, if not most of us commute. While all pilot groups have their share of nuts, in my opinion, there is almost no way someone could get denied 3 times in 6 months by a few captains. But, if it is the case, we want to get to the bottom of it, becuase it is uncalled for. I apologize for your denied jumpseat. Let's make sure it never happens again.
New K Now (Willing to be the jumpseat police-I can spread the word quicker than you can blink an eye
)
01-06-2009, 10:48 PM
#44
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I understand - 3 times in a short time is a surprising amount.
When I jumpseat on one of the former NWA airplanes, the crew is happy to have me, if only so that they can quiz me on how the contract works at Delta or bidding or whatever. ;-)
Shoot, the other day I managed to answer 3 questions on the tram! I'm happy to answer and help our new airline move forward.
When I jumpseat on one of the former NWA airplanes, the crew is happy to have me, if only so that they can quiz me on how the contract works at Delta or bidding or whatever. ;-)
Shoot, the other day I managed to answer 3 questions on the tram! I'm happy to answer and help our new airline move forward.
03-18-2009, 08:03 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I had a conversation with a Delta new hire who actually lives in MSP. I asked if he planned on bidding to MSP and he said he was not sure now that he had dealt with NWA pilots. He has been denied the jumpseat 3 times now trying to commute to work. In one case they put a American pilot on the jumpseat who came up at the last minute and left him at the gate. In all cases the Captain made the decision not the gate agent. In one case the Captain ranted and raved about how he got screwed by the Roberts award for 5 minutes before telling him he would not take him. These occurred prior to release of the new seniority list. This type of behavior is abhorrant and a direct contradiction of jumpseat policy.
You think this is bad? You should hear about what happened after AA bought TWA.
03-02-2010, 12:53 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by reddog25
I have only denied the Jump Seat once. To an EAL scab. Gutsy move on that scab's part. Asked for a ride, right after our NWA strike. I checked my list, pointed to his name and asked if he had scabbed for EAL. He said yes, and he left the cockpit.
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03-02-2010, 01:35 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by JetFlyer06
Let's not forget that the jumpseater's attitude can make a big difference as well. The guys that waltz down the jetway and stroll up into the cockpit and announce "I've got your jumpseat" to the CA are setting themselves up for trouble. You should always check in and ASK if you can jumpseat. I have seen CAs take jumpseaters back up into the jetway out of earshot of the FAs and pax and ream them out for not asking (and still let them on the flight however). We all should remember that jumpseating is a privilege, not a right. We don't have all the facts in this case and can't hear both sides so let's let our jumpseat committees do their jobs and sort out this alleged mess. Fly safe everyone.
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