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12-20-2008 | 06:57 PM

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I just assumed......yes I know I know, that the pilots formerly known as NW would have everything the Delta pilots do at the implementation of the JC. Im sure I'd feel the same way if I was in your shoes.

You guys do get the 5% pay raise on Jan. 1, right?

12-20-2008 | 07:38 PM

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Yes, they get what we get. The TFA and how it is being interpreted and implemented is what is the issue. (At least it sound like)

12-20-2008 | 08:19 PM

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Heyas,

Just to follow up, KW is the man. If he says you stink, you'd better hit the showers with a family size bar of Dial.

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12-20-2008 | 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

He honestly believes DALPA should spend more time helping to educate us on the fine points of the contract and the historical precedents at Delta. DALPA obviously does not see it that way. Ken has his opinion and he is calling NWA "management" and DALPA out on it. That's what he does when all other avenues fail. Sometimes there are no beneficial outcomes to clearly stating the facts as you see them to the entire membership. I respect that.

Carl

Both MECs were fully focused over the last 6 months on preparing for arbitration. We've had a single list and time for these guys to focus on other things for what, a week and a half? Seemes pretty weird he'd be calling people out publicly via email already. Now if a negotiated settlement had been possible things may be different, not to mention we'd all be a little richer. Give these guys a chance to come up for air.

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12-21-2008 | 01:00 AM

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If that email had come from anyone other than Ken Watts, I wouldn't have been worried.

Ken is the one that got me involved in union work 19 years ago. When he was the Council 1 Chairman, he was pretty much the only Red Book (pre-1986 NW) LEC representative that stood up for the Green Book (pre 1986 Republic) pilots. He is a man of GREAT integrity.

Bottom line - if Ken says this is happening, then I believe him.

Also note that in the post that started this thread I was asking for verification of the info from the DL side. Apparently asking for verification is viewed as fearmongering by some of the SL folks.

12-21-2008 | 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nosmo King

Also note that in the post that started this thread I was asking for verification of the info from the DL side.

It's unlikely any of us would be able to verify the information contained in the letter. While I know many of our ALPA guys, I don't track their daily activities.

I do know that many of our guys have been putting in some long hours in connection with the merger. Maybe they need to spend a little time with their families during the holidays. I don't blame them.

They still have a couple of months to get your guys up to speed, true? I can imagine that Ken Watts is being barraged with questions he's unable to answer. That has to be frustrating, and his letter bears that out.

While I'm sure he's a good guy, what he perceives as foot-dragging may just be things moving at a slower pace than he'd prefer.

12-21-2008 | 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CVG767A

While I'm sure he's a good guy, what he perceives as foot-dragging may just be things moving at a slower pace than he'd prefer.

I tend to agree with this. While Ken may believe he's up to his rear in alligators, that may not be viewed as an emergency by others. I'm sure after the holidays the pace will pick up.

I also tend to believe that NWALPA will continue to get the "Heismann" from Bastain and Co. until there is a unified DALPA dealing with RA.

12-21-2008 | 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

I tend to agree with this. While Ken may believe he's up to his rear in alligators, that may not be viewed as an emergency by others. I'm sure after the holidays the pace will pick up.

I would add that the likely reason his issues aren't viewed as an emergency by others, is those others have just as alligators of their own that they're beating back. No one is being slighted. There's just an incredible amount of work to do in the integration, and a limited number of people willing to step up to help.

PG

12-21-2008 | 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

It's even more insulting to have no clarity whatsoever as to when bid period 5 will be. Anderson has a very short memory if he thinks NWA pilots will stand for this much longer.

Carl

Carl,
I found the following concise definition of bid period 5 on the Deltanet:

Bid Period Number Five. Henceforth the following definition will apply to Bid Period Number Five (BPN5) uniquely and exclusively: Bid Period Number Five will be the bid period following and directly adjacent to Bid Period Number Four (BPN4). BPN5 can be further defined as the bid period immediately prior and adjacent to Bid Period Number Six (BPN6). The definition of BPN5 consists wholly and exclusively of the above definition and absolutely no other definition can or may be applied to BPN5. Additionally all Bid Periods (BP) will be numbered sequentially by integers beginning with Bid Period Number one (BPN1) and followed sequentially by the immediate next larger integer and running consecutively. Since all BP’s are intractably related and determined wholly and exclusively by the BP known as BPN1 we will now turn to the issue of BPN1.

We have no idea when BPN1 will be.

Disclaimer: The above is a purely fictional account for entertainment purposes only. Nothing like falling back on old staff work training for being able to write a lot without saying anything.

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