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Old 11-17-2009 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
AE is a competitor for APA jobs. It's as simple as that. I have nothing in common with AE. They'd steal an AA pilots' job in a heartbeat if they could. AE is no different than Republic, Gojet, CHQ, TSA or any other low-pay outsourcer.
What do you mean COULD? They have been stealing AA jobs for years now and wouldn't hesitate to steal even more. Heck, I'm sure many at AE would happily replace mainline AA routes by flying the 190s for $25 an hour.
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Old 11-17-2009 | 09:54 AM
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Old 11-17-2009 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
AE is a competitor for APA jobs. It's as simple as that. I have nothing in common with AE. They'd steal an AA pilots' job in a heartbeat if they could. AE is no different than Republic, Gojet, CHQ, TSA or any other low-pay outsourcer.
That's a joke.

Originally Posted by Hoss
What do you mean COULD? They have been stealing AA jobs for years now and wouldn't hesitate to steal even more. Heck, I'm sure many at AE would happily replace mainline AA routes by flying the 190s for $25 an hour.

So is this. Last time I checked, all of my management worked for AA. You guys should know that AMR management will do what ever they want, and give flying to whom ever no matter what you, me, or anyone else feels. Some folks are sooo quick to point a finger and say we are or you are doing this and stealing that. Management makes those decisions. Why? Because they can!

It doesn't matter what either group says. It's all a game and we all have to get dressed and play.

I'm not stealing a damn thing! And, no, wouldn't be happy. But thanks........thanks for pointing the finger at me for stealing mainline flying! I guess my reasons for coming to Eagle because I wanted to work for AA were for nothing. I guess I'm not worthy to fly your equipment because I'm an Eagle guy...oh well!

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Old 11-17-2009 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoss
AE would happily replace mainline AA routes by flying the 190s for $25 an hour.
That's another joke!
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Old 11-17-2009 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I'm not in your airline(s), but would it be rude to ask how shifting the flying to one particular regional is better than shifting it to another?
AMR owns Eagle, the others are outside subcontractors.
By using Eagle the money all stays at AMR, not providing profits to subcontractors who then go out and buy two large plane operators in the same season and are now direct competitors to AMR on several routes...


Does that help explain why subcontractor airlines do nothing to help the industry...
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Old 11-17-2009 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
That's another joke!
Actually, Id be $38 an hour, no riggs, flying FARs.
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Old 11-17-2009 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dosbo
Take the RJ's at market rates and get them in house now. At least the 1800 APA pilots will be off the street with some upward mobility. If you loosen scope for more $$$ once the scope is gone some excuse will be made to take the dollars back.

That does appear to be the better option... it also paints AMR into a corner with having nobody to whipsaw and threaten APA with; for that reason I think it woudl be a very hard sell to AMR. But I like the idea
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Old 11-17-2009 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmak2
What are the chances that a modified flowthrough will result from the negotiations underway now over the recent arbitration ruling? Captains were displaced and FO's furloughed, and everyone has suffered QOL/pay issues as a result. What if everyone now at Eagle (including furloughs) was offered a one-time, take-it-or-leave-it option to flow through to AA as a remedy? Ideas?

Spoken like a true "me" generation sorta newbie pilot...

what does that remedy? except your desire to go to a legacy carrier.
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Old 11-17-2009 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It appears from this thread that some pilots believe that the unions control the seniority list and can merge them at will. That is not true. The seniority list is maintained and controlled by the company. In addition the RLA act forbids many of the things pilots think the unions should do. As a example you can't link negotiations between to different contracts. APA has found out first hand what happens when you mess with the RLA and a judge.

Not entirely true.... one of the USAir express carriers was recently workig on their contract and had representatives of the other express carriers at the table with them...
and there is nothing that says the APA couldn't take a short term status quo contract to get through the recession, and have it end at the same time Eagles ends...

are there some prohibitions; yes... but nothing as bad as you would lead people to think.
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Old 11-17-2009 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoss
What do you mean COULD? They have been stealing AA jobs for years now and wouldn't hesitate to steal even more. Heck, I'm sure many at AE would happily replace mainline AA routes by flying the 190s for $25 an hour.
a little extreme. They could say the same about AA taking Eagle jobs...
I'm sure you have moticed AMR shift routes back and forth between AA and AE several times over the years.... they do it to try and keep a route profitable. There is no way to run a Mad Dog 4-5 times a day from XNA to LGA for example... there just isn't the load factor to support it... there are enough pax to support a 37-50 seat RJ doign it though...

it keeps AMR in the market, denies full market share to the competitors, and often ends up opening new routes for AA once demand increases to support the larger plane. Reducing frequency to isn't the answer either since the competition will continue to run their 4-5 flight flights a day, and the pax will simply go with the more convienient schedule.

EGL could vanish tomorrow; all that would happen is AMR would subcontract out that flying to several commuter carriers. So, the real question is - since regionals are not going away - woudl you rather work with one wholly owned sister company against AMR; or would you rather work with several outside subcontractors like RAH? Remeber, RAH is the current AMR subcontractor that has made enough money flying for other airlines to go out andf BUY tweo large plane operators within a few months of eachother.... so that RAH is no longer just an outside subcontractor; they are now a direct competitor in several markets. They have also had trhe benefit of working closely enough with AMR to have inside knowledge of how things are done at AMR... and they now have the larger planes to use that information against AMR... while still bleeding a prifit from ARM by flying their subcontracted routes.

Yes my friends; be vary careful what you wish for.
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