CVR Bill in Congress. NOT GOOD !!
11-20-2009 | 08:52 AM
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This will never, ever see the light of day. I hope you're kidding. It hasn't even left the guy's office.
Just another knee jerk reaction with the emphasis on "jerk"(Mr. Senator). Nothing to see here.
11-20-2009 | 09:01 AM
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I'm fairly certain he was being sarcastic and it was a reference to the Age 65 argument and what transpired 2 years ago.
WHAT?!
This will never, ever see the light of day. I hope you're kidding. It hasn't even left the guy's office.
Yes, we'll start with this and after a few years of service we can approach the concept of video in the cockpit.
Just another knee jerk reaction with the emphasis on "jerk"(Mr. Senator). Nothing to see here.
This will never, ever see the light of day. I hope you're kidding. It hasn't even left the guy's office.
Yes, we'll start with this and after a few years of service we can approach the concept of video in the cockpit.
Just another knee jerk reaction with the emphasis on "jerk"(Mr. Senator). Nothing to see here.
11-20-2009 | 09:16 AM
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2 things:
First, the passage of this bill is completely unavoidable, therefore ALPA, led by Prater, should throw its full weight and support behind the bill for immediate passage, that way ALPA can have a voice on how it's implemented.
Second, I propose a companion bill, the "Senator Professionalism Assurance Act" be submitted side by side with the bill concerning pilots. In it, Senators will be subject to continuous voice recording at all times while they are at work, and those recordings should be downloaded to discipline or discharge a senator . . . for actions that endanger the safety or well being of the citizens of the United States.
Further, these recordings of Senators at work will be downloaded for the broader purpose of evaluating or monitoring the judgment or performance of an individual Senator.
I am sure Senator DeMint will have no problem submitting BOTH bills for passage concurrently.
First, the passage of this bill is completely unavoidable, therefore ALPA, led by Prater, should throw its full weight and support behind the bill for immediate passage, that way ALPA can have a voice on how it's implemented.
Second, I propose a companion bill, the "Senator Professionalism Assurance Act" be submitted side by side with the bill concerning pilots. In it, Senators will be subject to continuous voice recording at all times while they are at work, and those recordings should be downloaded to discipline or discharge a senator . . . for actions that endanger the safety or well being of the citizens of the United States.
Further, these recordings of Senators at work will be downloaded for the broader purpose of evaluating or monitoring the judgment or performance of an individual Senator.
I am sure Senator DeMint will have no problem submitting BOTH bills for passage concurrently.
(for the non middle aged, it was President Nixon)
11-20-2009 | 09:20 AM
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Second, I propose a companion bill, the "Senator Professionalism Assurance Act" be submitted side by side with the bill concerning pilots. In it, Senators will be subject to continuous voice recording at all times while they are at work, and those recordings should be downloaded to discipline or discharge a senator . . . for actions that endanger the safety or well being of the citizens of the United States.
11-20-2009 | 10:26 AM
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11-20-2009 | 10:31 AM
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This story makes no sense.
"Current labor contracts effectively bar major U.S. carriers from relying on information gathered from cockpit-recorders, or, in some cases, flight-data recorders to punish pilots or monitor their performance during trips. But the proposed legislation seeks to overturn those longstanding restrictions in both areas, which is already riling pilot union leaders."
To wit: no matter what Congress passes, labor can still negotiate to not allow the company to use CVR or FDR data to punish/monitor performance.
Frankly, I was unaware that most companies don't already have this right, and I didn't know most labor unions (as this implies) already spend negotiating capital on this.
I think this story is trying to say that Congress wants the FAA to randomly sample CVR's and FDR's for improper pilot procedure. While this certainly would SUCK, I'd have to say, get used to the idea. I think as technology gets better and better, airplanes and pilots are only going to be monitored more and more.
The rub is that it probably WILL improve safety. It's also going to weed out more pilots, most of whom probably won't deserve it. Ah well.
"Current labor contracts effectively bar major U.S. carriers from relying on information gathered from cockpit-recorders, or, in some cases, flight-data recorders to punish pilots or monitor their performance during trips. But the proposed legislation seeks to overturn those longstanding restrictions in both areas, which is already riling pilot union leaders."
To wit: no matter what Congress passes, labor can still negotiate to not allow the company to use CVR or FDR data to punish/monitor performance.
Frankly, I was unaware that most companies don't already have this right, and I didn't know most labor unions (as this implies) already spend negotiating capital on this.
I think this story is trying to say that Congress wants the FAA to randomly sample CVR's and FDR's for improper pilot procedure. While this certainly would SUCK, I'd have to say, get used to the idea. I think as technology gets better and better, airplanes and pilots are only going to be monitored more and more.
The rub is that it probably WILL improve safety. It's also going to weed out more pilots, most of whom probably won't deserve it. Ah well.
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