Do you get many jumpseaters from International carriers now? Somehow I don't think denial of a jumpseat will be a deterrent.

 

I don't think most guys here are blaming ALPA as the cause. It is more that ALAP is INEFFECTUAL. They have no muscle. A lot of that has to do with US labor laws and the airline industry falling under the Railway Labor Act. Jeez, for Longshoremen to have jobs that pay $100,000 to $200,000 should indicate how much clout a union should have. Oh, and don't take me wrong- I don't believe for a second that operating forklifts and cranes warrant that kind of salary. But operating planes and be responsible for thousands of live a year, pilots should be making more than Longshoremen.

 

Deterrent? Probably not.

How many international carriers are based within the Conus? The question is how many are started in the U.S. to supplant a legacy carrier's flying?

Pilot's are their own worst enemy. It's all about me. Let the whipsawing begin. Management doesn't care about the skills you bring to the table. They want a song and dance man who will do it for a $ less than the previous person.

 

Agreed. None that I know of that were started to supplant a US carrier. Doesn't JAL have a Hawaii base and Cathay have an LAX base? I also think there is one with an ORD base.

 

Thats funny, International airlines usually get you zed fares anyways.

 

Solidarity doesn't exist in this industry anymore, Get the point?


POOR CRAFTSMAN MOST BE BUYING TOOLS AT WALLMART ?

Let me guess ALPA most be paying your cell phone bill.

 

UAL MEC News Release


Chicago, Ill., October 8, 2009--United Airlines’ acknowledgement that it will continue pursuing an “innovative” arrangement with Aer Lingus despite both airlines laying off employees is an insult to employees on both sides of the Atlantic, according to the pilots of United Airlines.
Last January, United announced an agreement with Aer Lingus that it will operate flights between Washington, D.C. and Madrid using non-United pilots on the flights. The arrangement is simply a clever way of outsourcing flying to a foreign carrier, according to the pilots.
It has been announced that Aer Lingus plans on cutting a sixth of its workforce. United quickly replied that Aer Lingus’ cutbacks won’t affect its unprecedented outsourcing scheme in the Washington-to-Madrid arrangement with Aer Lingus.
“It is simply unconscionable to see how management can continue to stab the very people in the back who have made this airline fly,” said Captain Steve Wallach, chairman of the United Master Executive Council of the Air Line Pilots Association. “With United’s plans to furlough nearly 1,500 pilots and siphon marketing money from its own operation to pour into this venture, it is inexcusable for this same management team to turn around and utilize non-United pilots to fly the Washington-to-Madrid route.
“United has made claims that it can’t operate this route themselves because they claim it isn’t profitable. Yet, they have refused to meet with the employees to see how United can make this route profitable. ALPA has made several attempts to work with United management to save pilot jobs and to prevent such ventures as the United/Aer Lingus arrangement. We have been rebuffed at every turn. United management obviously has no interest in keeping Washington/Madrid a United flight.”
Captain Wallach says United claims the arrangement with Aer Lingus will enhance revenue for the corporation, which in turn would provide a more secure future for the employees of the airline. Captain Wallach says such an attitude flies in the face of reality, considering the number of lost jobs that will result.
“It may be revenue-positive for the Corporation but it’s certainly not revenue positive for the pilots and other employees whose jobs will be outsourced,” said Captain Wallach.
The Air Line Pilots Association has launched a legislative campaign to ensure that U.S. airline workers are treated fairly in alliances between U.S. and foreign carriers. ALPA is seeking legislation that would guarantee that U.S. airlines do a reasonable share of the international flying conducted by the airlines that seek to engage in such revenue-sharing ventures as the UAL/Aer Lingus arrangement.

ALPA Contact:
Dave Kelly
847/292-1708
[email protected]

 

We (Cathay) have bases in LAX, ORD, JFK, ATL, ANC, SFO and possibly MIA soon.

 

Many guys don't seem to grasp the consequence of this - for all of us. Lets see if I can explain it so that we can all understand.

Lets assume your airline - call it airline A, does not want to pay its employees on the top 12th year payscale. Bingo, market flights on your website, fly the flight with your equipment (Aer Lingus in this case) but bring in 1st year third world pilots.

How long until your whole pilot group is replaced?

Some airlines may have Scope protection against this - we do at DAL, but if UAL/Aer Lingus/Scab Airlines is paying their pilots half pay, how effectively will airlines that pay well compete?

Keep in mind for all purposes this is not going to be new start up - UAL million milers will be flying on it via UAL frequent flyers program, and when they book the ticket they will think its UAL.

Scoop