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12-23-2009, 06:26 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by HSLD
12-23-2009, 03:01 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Baron50
Oh, you think there is nothing to b#tch about.
Really, I don’t think I could show you anything, you know it all. But, let’s spell it out...he stopped the bleeding. He got the best of the 2007 LOA without the concessions in spite of the “agreement at any cost” attitude of the negotiators he inherited. Of more significance and as his parting gift, he rid the union of those same negotiators.
You would be wise to listen to his farewell message again, for that matter anyone who is a trade unionist or wants to understand why this profession is in a downward spiral should listen very carefully to what he has said, it is well crafted. Whether you like the messenger or not, he is the prophet of our future.
The union is no stronger than its leadership, as Captain Wallach has said, the current bench is very thin. That’s your fault, keep electing politicos, personable good old boys, management want to be’s, or new age “let all get along” representatives and pay the price. But please, don’t complain that you are a victim
In your shortsighted quest for instant gratification, you threw out (by a single vote) one of the last competent labor leaders capable of leading us out of the quagmire. You let personality interfere with competency. The new leadership are wonderful people, great to go drink with, but they will never be able to rally the membership to with-draw our services. Short of that, we are doomed to the crumbs that the corporate elite will defecate.
Captain Wallach made one hopeful point in his message, at some future time the pilots will decide they have had enough, put aside the politics, develop a spine and unify for the common good. In my opinion it is too late for this contract, possibly contract 2017. But in any case, not before the current labor leader pretenders are removed, and not before the line pilots have suffered a great deal more...
Really, I don’t think I could show you anything, you know it all. But, let’s spell it out...he stopped the bleeding. He got the best of the 2007 LOA without the concessions in spite of the “agreement at any cost” attitude of the negotiators he inherited. Of more significance and as his parting gift, he rid the union of those same negotiators.
You would be wise to listen to his farewell message again, for that matter anyone who is a trade unionist or wants to understand why this profession is in a downward spiral should listen very carefully to what he has said, it is well crafted. Whether you like the messenger or not, he is the prophet of our future.
The union is no stronger than its leadership, as Captain Wallach has said, the current bench is very thin. That’s your fault, keep electing politicos, personable good old boys, management want to be’s, or new age “let all get along” representatives and pay the price. But please, don’t complain that you are a victim
In your shortsighted quest for instant gratification, you threw out (by a single vote) one of the last competent labor leaders capable of leading us out of the quagmire. You let personality interfere with competency. The new leadership are wonderful people, great to go drink with, but they will never be able to rally the membership to with-draw our services. Short of that, we are doomed to the crumbs that the corporate elite will defecate.
Captain Wallach made one hopeful point in his message, at some future time the pilots will decide they have had enough, put aside the politics, develop a spine and unify for the common good. In my opinion it is too late for this contract, possibly contract 2017. But in any case, not before the current labor leader pretenders are removed, and not before the line pilots have suffered a great deal more...
12-23-2009, 03:41 PM
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Why would he? Slight conflict of interest when your MEC chairman is also on the BOD.
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12-23-2009, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
Is he broadcasting from a space ship? Who builds a room like that?
Over 1420 pilots on the street on this guys watch. And not much else.
Merry Christmas "fellow line pilot", hope you have thick skin on the line.
12-24-2009, 10:51 AM
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If you park 22% of the fleet, there will be furloughs. It sure wasn't Wallach's idea to park the guppies. He did turn off trip trading to mitigate the furloughs, but really, what can you do? 100 jets gone. What an asanine decision.
12-25-2009, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
He did turn off trip trading to mitigate the furloughs,
Wallach will forever be known as the reality that there is someone worse than Whiteford.
Just look at the responses to his message on this forum. People that are impartial, with no dog in the fight, see his as a egomaniac that reeks of ineptitude and self grandeur.
Merry Christmas.
12-25-2009, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
If you park 22% of the fleet, there will be furloughs. It sure wasn't Wallach's idea to park the guppies. He did turn off trip trading to mitigate the furloughs, but really, what can you do? 100 jets gone. What an asanine decision.
Lower the block hours for existing pilots....that is how to mitigate furloughs...has been done in the past at other airlines...not at UAL.
Turning off trip trading did NOTHING...it just got turned back on again...
More could have been done. Yes there was going to be furloughs...but Wallick did not come through as he should have. Just a bunch of b/s e-mails sent to everyone....pounding sand, and acting like some "tough guy".
12-25-2009, 07:38 AM
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Lamborne and Contrail,
Look, I am not here to support Mr. Wallach but he deserves more credit than he is getting. The TT was done to mitigate furloughs. He could do it, because the contract allowed it without company consent. Whether or not it mitigated furloughs, is questionable. I think it slowed the pace a bit, but that was certainly the intent. Lowering block hours would take company consent, which we did get with the LOA under Wallach's watch, and don't forget line quarantee - never had it before, got it now. And "worse than Whiteford?" c'mon Lamborne, your pension and the 70 seat Rj were negotiated away under Whiteford and his "bankruptcy committee". The later is what allowed the parking of the guppies and 1200 furloughs. In any case, I am glad we have a change in leadership. We need a fresh start.
Merry Christmas
Jsled
Look, I am not here to support Mr. Wallach but he deserves more credit than he is getting. The TT was done to mitigate furloughs. He could do it, because the contract allowed it without company consent. Whether or not it mitigated furloughs, is questionable. I think it slowed the pace a bit, but that was certainly the intent. Lowering block hours would take company consent, which we did get with the LOA under Wallach's watch, and don't forget line quarantee - never had it before, got it now. And "worse than Whiteford?" c'mon Lamborne, your pension and the 70 seat Rj were negotiated away under Whiteford and his "bankruptcy committee". The later is what allowed the parking of the guppies and 1200 furloughs. In any case, I am glad we have a change in leadership. We need a fresh start.
Merry Christmas
Jsled
12-25-2009, 07:51 AM
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[quote=jsled;732571]Lamborne and Contrail,
"Look, I am not here to support Mr. Wallach but he deserves more credit than he is getting. The TT was done to mitigate furloughs. He could do it, because the contract allowed it without company consent. Whether or not it mitigated furloughs, is questionable. I think it slowed the pace a bit, but that was certainly the intent. Lowering block hours would take company consent, which we did get with the LOA under Wallach's watch, and don't forget line quarantee - never had it before, got it now. And "worse than Whiteford?" c'mon Lamborne, your pension and the 70 seat Rj were negotiated away under Whiteford and his "bankruptcy committee". The later is what allowed the parking of the guppies and 1200 furloughs. In any case, I am glad we have a change in leadership. We need a fresh start."
When I questioned the tt issue I was told by lec and also negotiating committee folks that it was because most of the pilots could not use the tt system in it's current form so they were taking it from the company as they did. I asked and there was no mention of saving pilots from being let go. Ifthat was mention most people would have no problem with taking the tt system away to help out fellow pilots. However since I was never told of that intenet I had an issue with the way it was handled as part of our contract als says that if an issues affects quality of life or pay then it should be voted on by the members it never was and we have had that issue in the past.
"Look, I am not here to support Mr. Wallach but he deserves more credit than he is getting. The TT was done to mitigate furloughs. He could do it, because the contract allowed it without company consent. Whether or not it mitigated furloughs, is questionable. I think it slowed the pace a bit, but that was certainly the intent. Lowering block hours would take company consent, which we did get with the LOA under Wallach's watch, and don't forget line quarantee - never had it before, got it now. And "worse than Whiteford?" c'mon Lamborne, your pension and the 70 seat Rj were negotiated away under Whiteford and his "bankruptcy committee". The later is what allowed the parking of the guppies and 1200 furloughs. In any case, I am glad we have a change in leadership. We need a fresh start."
When I questioned the tt issue I was told by lec and also negotiating committee folks that it was because most of the pilots could not use the tt system in it's current form so they were taking it from the company as they did. I asked and there was no mention of saving pilots from being let go. Ifthat was mention most people would have no problem with taking the tt system away to help out fellow pilots. However since I was never told of that intenet I had an issue with the way it was handled as part of our contract als says that if an issues affects quality of life or pay then it should be voted on by the members it never was and we have had that issue in the past.
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