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Old 02-13-2010 | 07:49 PM
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DAL/Eagle.

DAL contracted with Eagle out there many moons ago. It was a short term answer to some short haul stuff out there they did not want to do.
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Old 02-13-2010 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
DAL/Eagle.

DAL contracted with Eagle out there many moons ago. It was a short term answer to some short haul stuff out there they did not want to do.

Ohhh I see...cool bro.
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Old 02-13-2010 | 08:10 PM
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Hate to say this but flying will continue to be outsourced until there is nothing left but a brand name contracted out to other airlines to fly the routes, that's all flying. I have no time frame in mind with this, it could be 20 years or it could be 100 years, but this is what is going to happen. The only way the trend would reverse would be if legislation was created making the mainline carrier liable in some way if a regional carrier screws up.
BINGO!!!

How many McDonalds are owned and operated by McDonalds???

How many Holiday Inn's are owned and operated by Holiday Inn???

Crandall said it years ago that he would love to run American as a vitual airline with very few "American" employees.

It's all in the brand name.
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Old 02-13-2010 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
We have code share with AMR Eagle out in LAX for about 10 years.
And it's a complete PITA for the passengers as far as the transfer from DAL to AE goes. I KNOW, they shouldn't book flights with close connections, etc. But the set up is a complete disaster.
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Old 02-13-2010 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
And it's a complete PITA for the passengers as far as the transfer from DAL to AE goes. I KNOW, they shouldn't book flights with close connections, etc. But the set up is a complete disaster.

Concur on the poor service. I'm a Delta frequent flyer, and am supposed to get 70 pounds of bags for free. It's a big deal, because I'm hauling exactly 70 pounds, one bag a 50 pound oversize golf hard case. They made it clear that it wasn't what the "American" rules would allow.

American Eagle, out of San Diego, decided to charge me some outlandish amount of money for the short haul to LAX, where I connected with Delta.

Their response.... get Delta to refund you the money, which they did.
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Old 02-14-2010 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by flaps 9
BINGO!!!

How many McDonalds are owned and operated by McDonalds???

How many Holiday Inn's are owned and operated by Holiday Inn???

Crandall said it years ago that he would love to run American as a vitual airline with very few "American" employees.

It's all in the brand name.
It is the easiest way to keep resetting labor costs. As a manager it is pure genius. That is why I see these air alliances as the next outsourcer. All of a sudden they will code the flying and airlines like AMR, DAL and CAL will become the third party operator. It is the end game in my opinion.

If wages go with this final step, people will bail on this profession. Got my parachute packed and strapped.

(On a side note don't you work for the airline that has yet to outsource? Doesn't that worry you?)

In reference to McDonald's It is a franchise, that provides the product for the third party to heat up. The main company still sets pay, and bennies as well as many other things.
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Old 02-14-2010 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
And it's a complete PITA for the passengers as far as the transfer from DAL to AE goes. I KNOW, they shouldn't book flights with close connections, etc. But the set up is a complete disaster.
I do not argue that. It is a short term fix that has become a long term deal. It has allowed DAL access to communities it has not served.
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Old 02-14-2010 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I do not argue that. It is a short term fix that has become a long term deal. It has allowed DAL access to communities it has not served.
I wonder how long that agreement is for? If I'm not mistaken, did they move all the SAAB's out of LAX last year?

There was an ACTUAL DelCon carrier in LAX that could go to tall the places AE does with their planes with less of an ordeal for the customers.
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Old 02-14-2010 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
I wonder how long that agreement is for? If I'm not mistaken, did they move all the SAAB's out of LAX last year?

There was an ACTUAL DelCon carrier in LAX that could go to tall the places AE does with their planes with less of an ordeal for the customers.
Once again, it was due to the desire to not dilute a market that has not pricing power. (how I was told)
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Old 02-14-2010 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Once again, it was due to the desire to not dilute a market that has not pricing power. (how I was told)
I'm sure that that is the first and foremost reason. I wouldn't doubt that trailing reason would be that AA and has a rather firm and solidified RJ/regional operation in LAX. Where DAL has proven to be rather fickle there.
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