So IAH-ORD is transporting people between small communities? Check your facts.

 

Here we go again. That "kid" in the f-16 went through a hell of a lot more stringent screening and training process than any POS regional pilot. A regional pilot just needs a pulse and a checkbook to qualify for their job.

 

Like I said, quite going after each other. I do not care what you background is. It is about working together to deal with the issue. That does not mean a give me on a seniority number or whatever.
It means accept what is, and try to raise the bar.

 

Spoken like a true person that never had to fly at the regional level! "POS regional pilot", come on man....... Do you think that majority of us want to be at this level? WE have all had to do what we had to do to get that "job" with a major, wether it be the military route or the civilian route. The majority of us have all worked hard to get there. I know of guys at SW that had a whole bunch of "parker pen" time to get there, so save your ranting about regional pilots for someplace else. I dont think my interview with my regional was very easy, hell we had to do an AA medical just to get through and fly a 707 sim.... Now that was years ago but do you really think I still want to be here? No a little thing called 9/11 happened and then in our case, a little thing called "flow-back" happened. Lets not lump all the regionals together....

 

This is insanity!

Reading these RJ vs. Majors threads are a repeated reminder that Airline Pilots are simply not the best and brightest of our nations citizens. One shouldn't be surprised that we find ourselves without pensions, declining pay, and endless contractual negotiations. It always amazes me that a group can be so fond of eating its young, but yet expecting to thrive in the long term. Let's be honest with ourselves, over the past 25 odd years those in this profession have been out manuevered, out negotiated, and out thought by the very management that we are so fond of referring to as "foolish", "stupid","incompetent".

RJs are the organic outgrowth of what was once the A scale-B scale. It came about because a senior group of pilots were willing to sacrifice the new hires to enrich themselves. Many of those pilots are now retired, collecting their pensions, or made the final western journey. Many of those junior pilots, now senior, having been once sold out are now struggling to reach that quality of life and income levels that they had always anticipated, and deserved! They find themselves constantly threatened by this RJ (37-99 seats) that fly routes that they once flew on 737s, DC-9s, F28, BAC 111s. However, unfortunately the airlines having tasted blood and will only expand RJ flying going forward not contract it. Hence the reason that E-190s and C-300s are being referred to as "Regional Jets". The current crop of mainline pilots AND the current crop of B scalers (read regional pilots) were sold out long ago. Don't be fools and believe that by taking the same actions (i.e. throwing each other under the bus) that the end result will somehow be better!

One of our pilots at my regional came up with this:

ONE BRAND, ONE STANDARD, ONE CONTRACT

Let's stop the insanity!

 

Scope is always for sale, ALWAYS!

 

For your 18th post on these forums, you sure posted a doozy.

 

ANYTHING with over 4 seats should be flown, MX'd, catered, and purchased by the MainLine carrier. We would not have any of the problems that the industry currently faces..........It was a race to the bottom and hopefully we have reached the LOW point.....

An ATP should be required for 121......no waiver.....no exceptions.....you either have it or you don't.

 

I do not have all the answers here still being one of those regional guys, but we really must end this who is to blame for our current situation argument.
Here is an idea to fix things, take it or leave it.

While a quick look thru UAL's contract there are pay rate for these aircraft only.
B747-400 B777 B767/757 A320/319 B737-300
Why should they have more when that is all they operate?
How about adding negotiated pay rate for the regional aircraft that the want back to mainline. All the way down to the Dash of even a 1900. If your mainline company can save money by keeping the flying in house, they will. They are greedy SOB's after all. This will also help recall the furloughed pilots you currently have.
I understand that the pay to be competitive is pathetically low, but some one is going to have the flying, and we might as well get it back to the mainline instead of shifting it all away to Regionals.
Over time, we can slowly re capture scope to ensure that no aircraft will be flown without brand X pilots at the helm, and then work on getting pay back up.
If some has a better Idea or disagrees, Flame away...

 

Read all of his...they're all strangely similar. Lost of "pulse and a checkbook" references to RJ pilots. Just another flame-baiting d00shbag. Good think we have the ability to ignore posts.