NWA Pair Agrees To Forfeit License
03-15-2010, 01:59 PM
#41
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by Boneman
So I guess we can just get rid of our grievance committees and for that matter union contracts then?
No... Just didn't feel like typing out all the caveats of the disciplinary process.
03-15-2010, 01:59 PM
#42
Bourgeoisie
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 787 SO
Posts: 616
Just another reminder that when something occurs, big or small, it is best to just keep quiet. No talking to the feds, the company, the media or other pilots. You cannot lie, but no one can compel you to speak. Also, the only lawyer that represents you is the one you pay. The association lawyers represent you as a member of the association so IMO their loyalties are split.
03-15-2010, 01:59 PM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Cessna 152 Captain
Posts: 695
Originally Posted by Sink r8
I think an appropriate penalty for what they did, because of the intentional nature of it, should be steep. I also think the FAA erred by offering a verdict on these guys before due process was served. I also understand the story that's been put forth in the press exagerates their share of the blame, and omits several controller and human factor issues outside the aircraft.
So... I have to ask: isn't losing your income, your reputation, your savings, and your sleep for at least a year steep enough as a penalty? What would it take to make some of you people happy that they've been punished sufficiently?
So... I have to ask: isn't losing your income, your reputation, your savings, and your sleep for at least a year steep enough as a penalty? What would it take to make some of you people happy that they've been punished sufficiently?
03-15-2010, 02:01 PM
#44
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by syd111
Have made plenty of mistakes in the cockpit. No I have not had my laptop out(sorry don't own one) no I don't have my cell phone out but thanks for checking.
I also have not landed on a taxiway, flown way past my destination airport, hit a mountain, taking off with the flaps up, landed short at ord, flown through tree tops to get to bdl.
If you think this was a small deal like looking at a magazine I guess we will have to disagree.
Sure agree with the atc stuff though.
Thanks for checking me out though!
I also have not landed on a taxiway, flown way past my destination airport, hit a mountain, taking off with the flaps up, landed short at ord, flown through tree tops to get to bdl.
If you think this was a small deal like looking at a magazine I guess we will have to disagree.
Sure agree with the atc stuff though.
Thanks for checking me out though!
Magazine reader.
...And you call yourself a perfect pilot.
03-15-2010, 02:04 PM
#45
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Originally Posted by Superdad
Not sayin I am perfect. I spent a long time representing pilots in disciplinary cases at my previous carrier. I have been through cases like this before. I just don't agree with those who always defend any pilot, believing that no action is terminable. I think that taking responsibility for you actions and placing responsibility on those responsible are very important and seriously lacking in our society. As a society we do not demand responsibility, just look at our politicians! That's just one example.
These guys f'ed up, REAL BAD, and I just don't have a lot of sympathy for their behavior. I think a year off is suitable, but I am surprised that this is not considered a terminable offense.
These guys f'ed up, REAL BAD, and I just don't have a lot of sympathy for their behavior. I think a year off is suitable, but I am surprised that this is not considered a terminable offense.
03-15-2010, 02:04 PM
#46
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,989
Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
Just another reminder that when something occurs, big or small, it is best to just keep quiet. No talking to the feds, the company, the media or other pilots. You cannot lie, but no one can compel you to speak. Also, the only lawyer that represents you is the one you pay. The association lawyers represent you as a member of the association so IMO their loyalties are split.
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03-15-2010, 02:13 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 7ERB, no M88, no 7ER, no A320, NEXT!
Posts: 397
Originally Posted by tsquare
You cannot be serious.
about what?
03-15-2010, 02:19 PM
#48
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by N9373M
There are forensic ways to determine if the laptops were on at that time. I wonder if the laptops were seized and analyzed? I have just recently gotten into computer forensics and it is very scary what info is stored in small nooks and crannies of: Windows, Macs, and smart phones.
Does anyone know what type of Operating system/laptop they were using?
Does anyone know what type of Operating system/laptop they were using?
03-15-2010, 02:30 PM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 973
Originally Posted by Superdad
These guys f'ed up, REAL BAD, and I just don't have a lot of sympathy for their behavior. I think a year off is suitable, but I am surprised that this is not considered a terminable offense.
03-15-2010, 02:32 PM
#50
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,989
Jeesh ... .
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