Delta flows also continue to accrue longevity at Delta while furloughed.

Correct, furlough, but not furlough bypass. They stop accruing longevity the second they bypass, but they still have rights to their seniority spot.

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Compass was not the only way to NWA.[/QUOTE]

For compass guys it was!
I was one of the first few classes and can verify the crap said to us, I guess I'm a sucker, but it was said by management and the NWA MEC. We were excluded from interviews at NWA because their HR told us "you've already gone thru the interview process and are considered NWA pilots". If you don't believe it call a former NW MEC Rep.

Pilots love shiny jets, Sparky, and in the absence of shiny jets, they'll listen to anyone with a shiny jet. They love shiny jets. They're so thirsty for them they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.

Really? :confused:

I'm kind of attached to the Diesel 9-osaur, & I don't know if you've looked at one lately......but they're not shiny. :p

Annette Bening was shiny in that movie.


http://www.moviecrazed.com/images/beningport.jpg

Yes she was. Nice call! Always thought she was sexy, even in American Beauty... she must have been 50+ in that movie.

+1 to Sparky.

I was also in the early classes at Compass. The hiring personal at NWA, specifically the HR personal, told me that the only way to NWA was through Compass. In fact when the inital cadre were hired at Compass, NWA did not have any plans to hire. Funny thing happend in the summer of 07' NWA pilots were not picking up open time like they had before, as a result many flights were being cancelled. Therefore, the need to hire in the summer of 07'

I had 3 friends at my former airline who were in my same shoes, wanting to fly at compass for the chance to be senior at a new airline then in 30 months slid to NWA (there was no sign of a pending merger with Delta at that time). Many things made NWA my first choice. Location of bases and the fact that NWA was scheduled to retire half it's pilots over the next 10 years really excited me.

Somehow my application stood out more than their's and i was fininishing up my E-170/190 type when NWA decided they needed some bodies in a hurry. The rest is history. Its a bizarre industry at best, completely unpredictable. Its more important than ever for solidarity in the ranks. I wish ALPA national did more to promote cohesivness.

On a second note, no one from Compass is prohibited from apply to Delta directly. This however was only a recent development and not sure why anyone senior at Compass would have applied if they were scheduled to flow anyway. Not like it's fun filling out airline apps.

Also some information came to light yesterday after the Delta ME'LEC meeting which will help clear things up in the near future. I imagine the MEC/LEC's will brief there pilots soon.

So what came to light in the meeting yesterday?

I think its best if you contact your reps as i am not a offical LEC rep. Until offical word comes from the Delta MEC/LEC and passed through our Compass MEC, i do not want to post anything until the MEC's let the pilot ranks know first hand.

That is great advice.

That is good advice, but .... ah, screw that.

Go ahead and tell us, we promise to keep it a secret. ;)

I know nothing.

Whatever happens, a lot of good people worked hard on both sides of the issue.

Great Ad Lib is editing. I cannot wait.........

I need to invoke my sgt. Schultz card...."I know nothing"

Well sheesh, if nobody is gonna post wild unsubstantiated rumors in favor of waiting for the sanitized and blessed-by-ALPA-legal hotlines days and weeks down the road, we might as well just shutter APC! Last one out, turn out the lights. :rolleyes:

Jungle, I think it is because this one is emotional to a lot of ppl. The best course of action is not to speculate on anyone's future.

You want to know? OK here it is.

They either decided to keep the flow, or they decided to end it.

You have to read between the lines to figure it out.

This statement is very, very inaccurate. Obviously you're unaware of how much the DAL Pilot group feels about further scope relief.

I have yet to meet a captain who wants any Compass pilot to flow up. This is a general statement. There are exceptions. I for the most part only fly with fNWA pilots. They look at Compass as a whole as DC-9 replacements and a slap in a face by the company and union. They look at the Compass pilots as replacement workers and want no part of them. It's worse because the union promised somewhere along the line that NEWCO would never be started.

Spot on post, johnso!

Must depend on the fleet you are on, most folks I know want any promises made kept.

Disregard........

The MEC meeting has concluded.
The administration has decided the issue in accordance with past precedent.
The previous scope grievance settlement on maximum number of RJs served as a guide.

The flow is history. Management didn't like it.
The scope clause will be amended to allow the extra 76 seaters. But just this once.
In return, Capt Moak has extracted another promise from management that they will accept DALPA's interpretation of that contract section going forward.
Oh, and Starbucks gift certificates. We're all getting one. Right from Richard.

I'm on a junior fleet where guys are way lower on the seniority list than they should be due to DC-9 and Airbus routes being replaced by Compass. I call bull on your statement. You could care less whether a promise to a Compass pilot is kept. I could care less too. I want the Delta PWA followed. That is what is important to me. The flow-up does not affect me one way or the other. The flow-down does. I feel that promises to the Compass group should be kept, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if they are not. Going to Compass to go to Northwest was naive. I wanted to work at NWA, but I never even applied to Compass. It's one of those things that might work out for a lucky few. What's in writing is what matters and the Compass pilots who bothered to read the contract should have known that the flow could be terminated with consequences in the event of a sale. No promises are being broken if the contract is followed. Verbal promises are meaningless.

This is spot on from what I've seen as well.

I honestly don't care about the flow and would prefer it to go, but I more want the PWA to be followed and the line on scope to be held or taken back.

Whoa. You guys are harsh tonight.
Terminate with extreme prejudice.

I have to agree with this. I was shooting for NWA as much as anyone and never heard that Compass was the only way to NWA. Even if I did hear that I would have never believed it, nor could I believe it by understanding how the flow worked.

I keep seeing some of the same Compass guys posting this over and over like it'll become a fact if they say it enough, but it's a bunch of BS or they're extremely ignorant.

When NWA HR calls for an interview and the pilot informs them that they cannot come that week because they wont be back from montreal (CP training) until monday and the hr person states o your with compass o let me call you back and never does or answer e-mails. I think it kinda means they wont interview CP guys

Its funny how the flow was so important to the junior guys Dec 08 and most of 09 and know that it might work the other way people dont care it exsist.

Those are my feelings on it... I want us to be able to select the best pilots possible.

I would prefer us to honor the flow-up for this group of CPZ pilots (it is after all what they were promised and I would like to see us do the right thing), and then cut it.

I'm a Captain who wants the contract executed as required. Flow up and Flow down is in the contract and should be honored.

And you are wrong about NEWCO. NEWCO would have flown all 100 seats and less. The ability to keep it at (36) 76 seat jets is not a minor victory in the face of BK.

Really.... are you just finding out that most pilots are selfish and only think of what's best for them. There really isn't any "we" in this industry only me's.

That's funny... Thanks!

Absolutely.

Now that times are good, we're no better than last weeks trash. When the benefit is swinging our way, its time to pull up the ladder.

I think its a little short sighted to get rid of furlough protection just yet. JMHO.

If we roll over and send the signal to DAL / ALPA that its okay for this thing to go away right when it was time to deliver, then what are we telling them about everything else they promise the pilots of DAL, CPS, and every other ALPA airline??

Eliminating this thing sends the message that it's okay to utilize the 'dangling carrot' method of operation. Thats bull.

Pretty simple really, this will fall along seniority lines. As you move more junior down the list at DAL, there are more and more who hope the spirit of the contract (insert loud guffaw here for my naivete) is honored. Saying you're no better than last week's trash is pretty strong, and not true at all. Most reasonable pilots here want the contract honored, but the sale is a done deal and the union, being run by the senior for the senior, who saw varying degrees of benefit to the flow, aren't likely to be too sympathetic. I suspect they will kill the flow, which I am told is allowable as part of the contract due to the sale, after honoring it for those eligible to flow during this first wave of hiring. JMWAG

Big picture time ... .

Many valid points all around, but nothing as been said by any of the parties involved in this. My suggestion is not to come to conclusions over this until there is AT LEAST some sort of direction given by one of those parties.

That's a good suggestion. Also kinda sad.
WE are the parties involved, yet the MEC apparently plans to keep us in the dark.
Hopefully they will let us know when they have decided our future.

Check,
There is a MEC Bulletin on the D-ALPA board which explains what happened on Tuesday and it is exactly what I'm hearing from radio traffic as well.

The MEC Administration briefed our Reps on what happened in the transaction. The Company has not made any proposals (meaning status quo I guess). If the Company makes a proposal, then we have a process to follow to negotiate.

Not very exciting given the circumstances, but remember Occam's Razor ... if I may paraphrase ... "the simplest explanation is usually correct."

My GUESS is that at least some pilots will flow. Delta needs to hire and August is two weeks away.