Southwest 2nd Quarter
08-02-2010, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TimSmith
Actually SWA is on the same playing field as DAL. They both fly passenger service under their own name in the US. DAL chose long ago to serve international. SWA has chosen not to. DAL began as a crop dusting organization in Monroe, Louisiana. SWA began on the back of a paper napkin in a bar.
Same beginnings i.e. nothing made into something. SWA chose to compete where they were comfortable and make money every single year, and until the recent downturn, every quarter (I believe they had one down quarter, but I can't remember.)
DAL chose where to serve passengers and they have a mixed history of boom and bust.
SWA has had stable management over the last 30 years while DAL has burned through several management philosophies and President/CEOs.
Point is, they are both passenger service airlines who freely chose their course in conducting business and have had quite different results.
I bet you can find as many pilots who won't touch DAL as you can who won't touch SWA. It comes down to personal preference.
Same beginnings i.e. nothing made into something. SWA chose to compete where they were comfortable and make money every single year, and until the recent downturn, every quarter (I believe they had one down quarter, but I can't remember.)
DAL chose where to serve passengers and they have a mixed history of boom and bust.
SWA has had stable management over the last 30 years while DAL has burned through several management philosophies and President/CEOs.
Point is, they are both passenger service airlines who freely chose their course in conducting business and have had quite different results.
I bet you can find as many pilots who won't touch DAL as you can who won't touch SWA. It comes down to personal preference.
I agree with your last statement. In earlier posts I stated I feel SWA is an outstanding airline. The job is not for me, but if others are happy doing it then thats awesome. I know lots of former military guys have gone there because they never want to do another ocean crossing. I can understand that. Some former military come to DAL because the want the chance to go back & forth between domestic & international.
My overall point was one can really not say that SWA dominates the industry, because they don't even serve internationally. They are NO DOUBT a top domestic carrier, but that's not their specialty. Its the only thing on the menu.
08-02-2010, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
And because SWA has chosen NOT to serve international, they do not have the same mission as DAL. Airlines who serve international destinations face greater amounts of challenges, & their gameplan has to be much different.
I agree with your last statement. In earlier posts I stated I feel SWA is an outstanding airline. The job is not for me, but if others are happy doing it then thats awesome. I know lots of former military guys have gone there because they never want to do another ocean crossing. I can understand that. Some former military come to DAL because the want the chance to go back & forth between domestic & international.
My overall point was one can really not say that SWA dominates the industry, because they don't even serve internationally. They are NO DOUBT a top domestic carrier, but that's not their specialty. Its the only thing on the menu.
I agree with your last statement. In earlier posts I stated I feel SWA is an outstanding airline. The job is not for me, but if others are happy doing it then thats awesome. I know lots of former military guys have gone there because they never want to do another ocean crossing. I can understand that. Some former military come to DAL because the want the chance to go back & forth between domestic & international.
My overall point was one can really not say that SWA dominates the industry, because they don't even serve internationally. They are NO DOUBT a top domestic carrier, but that's not their specialty. Its the only thing on the menu.
08-02-2010, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
Swa dominates on a balance sheet which in turn paves the way for every other pilot out there.
Until the large majors restructured in bankruptcy, SWA pilots undercut wage rates and provided more flexible work rules than their industry peers. This in turn allowed SWA to dominate on a balance sheet, which in turn undercut every other pilot out there.
08-02-2010, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
Swa dominates on a balance sheet which in turn paves the way for every other pilot out there. I don't know why you keep bringing up intl stuff when it doesn't apply to the conversation, but hey whatever makes you feel better.
International has every bit to do with the conversation. SWA doesn't play the same game as other airlines. I'm not sure why you don't understand that. Costs/factors associated with running a global airline are vastly different then running a domestic airline. That effects the bottom line, & the balance sheet.
08-02-2010, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
DAL management strategy is different than SWA, and there are many furloughed pilots just getting back that would attest that the difference is not always good.
08-02-2010, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TimSmith
And how many DAL lines on your map are codeshares wherre management still makes money while DAL pilots don't? SWA has experimented with codeshare and has decided SWA pilots fly SWA flight numbers.
DAL management strategy is different than SWA, and there are many furloughed pilots just getting back that would attest that the difference is not always good.
DAL management strategy is different than SWA, and there are many furloughed pilots just getting back that would attest that the difference is not always good.
Second, as requested:
Delta Air Lines destinations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For services of Delta's regional affiliates, see Delta Connection destinations.
Delta Air Lines flies to the following destinations, across all six inhabited continents.
This list does not include destinations served solely by codeshare flights or those served solely by the Delta Connection carriers. This is complete list of post-merger destinations, after Delta got the single operating certificate.
Africa
EgyptGhanaLiberia
- Monrovia - Roberts International Airport [begins September 4][1]
08-02-2010, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TimSmith
And how many DAL lines on your map are codeshares wherre management still makes money while DAL pilots don't? SWA has experimented with codeshare and has decided SWA pilots fly SWA flight numbers.
- Antigua and Barbuda
- Aruba
- Bahamas
- Barbados
- British Virgin Islands
- Cayman Islands
- Dominican Republic
- Grenada
- St. George's - Maurice Bishop International Airport [seasonal]
- Haiti
- Jamaica
- Netherlands Antilles
- Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Saint Lucia
- Trinidad and Tobago
- Scarborough - Crown Point Airport [seasonal]
- Puerto Rico
- Turks and Caicos Islands
- Virgin Islands
- Saint Thomas - Cyril E. King Airport
- [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Saint Croix - Henry E. Rohlsen Airport[/font]
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