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Old 08-13-2006 | 08:34 AM
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did u make those quotes up? are u reading the same quran as i have? i dont see where u pulled those from..by reading what u wrote i can see u never read it at all. also for ur information, there is no government set up that actually follows the quran correctly.
i jus dont see how u can actually believe all that.
Old 08-13-2006 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Subject: MUSLIMS

Is there a good Muslim?

This is something I've wondered about for some time now: How & why
do the Muslims hate us & everyone else so much? Doesn't their God teach
them to love?

Can a good Muslim be a good American or Canadian?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20
years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god
of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scriptural - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he
turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not
allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.

Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God,"
the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be
very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans Canadians.

Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above
statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Pass it on Fellow Americans and Canadians. The religious war is
bigger than we know or understand.

Kindest regards,

Good Post!
The only part I am in disagreement with is #8 the topic of “Intellectually”. While there is no way the Mullah’s who hold sway over members of the Islamic faith could allow a document like the U.S. Constitution to be the law of the land it is my understanding of the Constitution that it is not so much based on Biblical principles as primaries but rather on limited government and the sovereign rights of the individual. However, it is also my understanding that Muslims do find the Bible to be corrupt.
Old 08-13-2006 | 08:44 AM
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so out of the 1.4 billion muslims , none of them could be good americans or canadians!?
what rock do you guys live under?
Old 08-13-2006 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
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Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god
of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scriptural - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he
turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not
allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.

Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God,"
the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.


The moon god!? what? where did u come up with that? we dont believe in a moon god.

We accept all other religions, infact we are even allowed to marry people of other faiths? i sure did.

Do you even know the 5 pillars of the quran? whats wrong wiht having faith? if u do u have responsibility to that faith? mayb u should find out what those responsibilitys are.

So you turn towards makkah and pray? that means u cant be a good muslim in a western world?

I have friends who are jews and christians..my wife is christian! nowhere does it forbid us to have friends of other faiths.

Nowhere does it say u have to submit to a mullah who preaches annihilation of america and israel. ur ''friend'' has no idea wat hes talking about.

We are not instructed to marry 4 wifes, it is jus that we are allowed to marry a maximum of 4. not just at 1 time..but durin a lifetime. so if ur wife passes away u can remarry. it is in no way instructed upon you to have 4 wifes. nowdays its even looked down upon to have more then one. Also nowhere does it allow us to beat our wifes, no matter what they do. Unless u count poor villages in pakistan, uneducated people who beat their wives, but thats not what the quran says.
Old 08-13-2006 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
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Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God,"
the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
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one of Allah's 99 names :

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Old 08-13-2006 | 09:00 AM
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before you go ahead and post something , make sure u got ur facts straight.
Old 08-13-2006 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Subject: MUSLIMS

Is there a good Muslim?
Sigh, looks like this thread is getting way off topic. And if you are going to post something so inflammatory, the least you can do is provide the basis or source for your "information."
Old 08-13-2006 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by grandpa
so out of the 1.4 billion muslims , none of them could be good americans or canadians!?
what rock do you guys live under?
I am sure out of the 1.4 billion there are some fine and descent Muslims; but fine and descent only to the extent they allow themselves to smuggle reason and more enlightened thinking into their daily life. It seems there is a direct correlation between the consistency in which they practice their religion to the amount of violence they are prepared to inflict on the free world. The question is why aren't more "moderate" Muslims condeming the the teachings and behavior of the so called "radical muslims"?
Old 08-13-2006 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin
The question is why aren't more "moderate" Muslims condeming the the teachings and behavior of the so called "radical muslims"?
Perhaps it's because they don't bother. They've all apparently been labeled as terrorists and extremists in the eyes of their christian brethren (as is so apparent from some of the narrow-minded posts here), so rather than draw attention to their own religious beliefs, they choose to blend into the background.
Old 08-13-2006 | 10:30 AM
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[QUOTE=grandpa;52872]The moon god!? what? where did u come up with that? we dont believe in a moon god.


www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

Grandpa I can't speak to the legitimacy of what is written here, but never the less it came from somewhere.
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