Liquid Bombs?
08-10-2006, 08:34 AM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 183
There are alternatives Skywriting
Do you think pilots and flt crews should go through the same BS as pax???
Could you think of any other possibilities??
Did you know ramp personnel do not go through security checkpoints at most airports?
Are you going to repurchase toiletries at every overnight or delay all of your flights waiting for your checked bag?
I have a bad feeling this profession is made up of many folks who will do anything that is asked and not demand common sense out of their mgmt/govt.
Could you think of any other possibilities??
Did you know ramp personnel do not go through security checkpoints at most airports?
Are you going to repurchase toiletries at every overnight or delay all of your flights waiting for your checked bag?
I have a bad feeling this profession is made up of many folks who will do anything that is asked and not demand common sense out of their mgmt/govt.
08-10-2006, 08:56 AM
#13
Da Man
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: DC-10 F/O
Posts: 436
Originally Posted by CargoBob
Do you think pilots and flt crews should go through the same BS as pax???
Could you think of any other possibilities??
Did you know ramp personnel do not go through security checkpoints at most airports?
Are you going to repurchase toiletries at every overnight or delay all of your flights waiting for your checked bag?
I have a bad feeling this profession is made up of many folks who will do anything that is asked and not demand common sense out of their mgmt/govt.
Could you think of any other possibilities??
Did you know ramp personnel do not go through security checkpoints at most airports?
Are you going to repurchase toiletries at every overnight or delay all of your flights waiting for your checked bag?
I have a bad feeling this profession is made up of many folks who will do anything that is asked and not demand common sense out of their mgmt/govt.
I wonder who was planning on blowing up the planes???
Could it have been a group of cheese salesmen from Wisconsin????
Perhaps a group of pastors coming back from touring old churches in Europe????
A basketball team from New York????
A group of Boy Scouts and their leaders returning from an international jamboree???
Some Swedish models????
Retired Americans coming home from a dream vacation overseas????
Oh I know a group of business men coming back after wrapping up a lucrative merger deal with a British Corporation???
Might it have been people from Hollywood returning to the US after checking out a location to shoot a film???
A group of high school students traveling as part of an educational tour that they had bake sales and car washes for a year to pay for??
Cricket fans???
Soccer fans???
Newlyweds returning from their honeymoon???
Active duty military personnel returning to the United States from overseas???
Perhaps medical researchers traveling to the US to work on a project to cure or treat some horrible disease???
Might be some of those crazy b@astards who work on new computer and communications technology???
Perhaps some Americans returning to the US via LHR from a visit to friends and family living in Israel???
A group of golfers returning to the US after playing on some of the famous golf courses in the UK????
Oh I know some 85 year old WW II vets coming back from a tour of the beaches they last visited 60 years ago?? Some of those guys are still suffering from PTS, might be them???
How about some kids from BYU coming back from a year of doing mission work overseas???
I wonder???? Does anyone want to speculate what group of individuals would be plotting to blow up a bunch of aircraft traveling from Great Britain to the United States???? The possibilities are endless and the choices so broad. I have mentioned just about all the groups I could think of.
Can anyone come with another group of individuals who execute and plan 99% of the terrorism (cowardism) that plagues the world???
I certainly hope the investigators do not target a specific ethnic background or members of a certain religion. The suicide bombers could be anyone, from any religion or ethnic group, it would be unfair to profile anyone and make security so much less efficient...
08-10-2006, 09:07 AM
#14
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,286
Originally Posted by Joseph
I read on jetcareer's forum that pilot's in uniform are exempt from these new rules.
08-10-2006, 09:11 AM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 197
Originally Posted by MD11HOG
Why can't the airlines just make everybody check everything. No lines at the x-ray and it won't take an hour to load a 737. It's a win for everybody except when your luggage gets lost.
08-10-2006, 09:19 AM
#16
APC co-founder
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: B777
Posts: 5,853
From the TSA web site
Threat Level Change for the Aviation Sector
Fact Sheet
Guidance For Airline Passengers
Raised Threat Levels:
The U.S. threat level is raised to Severe, or Red, for all commercial flights flying from the United Kingdom to the United States.
The U.S. threat level is raised to High, or Orange, for all commercial aviation operating in the United States, including international flights. Flights from the United States to the United Kingdom are also Orange.
Increased Aviation Screening Procedures:
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is implementing a series of security measures, some visible and some not visible, to ensure the security of the traveling public and the nation's transportation system.
TSA is immediately implementing the following changes to airport screening procedures:
NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE.
SUCH ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.
Exceptions: Baby formula and medicines, which must be presented for inspection at the checkpoint.
Beverages purchased in the boarding area, beyond the checkpoint, must be consumed before boarding because they will not be permitted onboard the aircraft.
Passengers traveling from the United Kingdom to the United States will be subject to a more extensive screening process.
These measures will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant.
How every passenger can assist in security:
U.S. Customs and Border Protection will increase enforcement efforts in international arrival areas including the use of advanced targeting tools, special response teams including baggage and aircraft search teams, baggage x-ray equipment, specially-trained canine units, and explosive detection technology.
DHS has also mandated that all flights from the United Kingdom transmit passenger manifest information for intensive screening prior to departure from the gate. In addition, passengers on these flights and all other international flights will be subject to heightened inspection upon arrival in the United States.
Fact Sheet
Guidance For Airline Passengers
Raised Threat Levels:
The U.S. threat level is raised to Severe, or Red, for all commercial flights flying from the United Kingdom to the United States.The U.S. threat level is raised to High, or Orange, for all commercial aviation operating in the United States, including international flights. Flights from the United States to the United Kingdom are also Orange.
Increased Aviation Screening Procedures:
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is implementing a series of security measures, some visible and some not visible, to ensure the security of the traveling public and the nation's transportation system.
TSA is immediately implementing the following changes to airport screening procedures:
NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE.
SUCH ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.
Exceptions: Baby formula and medicines, which must be presented for inspection at the checkpoint.
Beverages purchased in the boarding area, beyond the checkpoint, must be consumed before boarding because they will not be permitted onboard the aircraft.
Passengers traveling from the United Kingdom to the United States will be subject to a more extensive screening process.
These measures will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant.
How every passenger can assist in security:
- Pack lightly, without clutter, to facilitate easier screening.
- Arrive earlier than usual at the airport.
- Cooperate with TSA personnel at checkpoints and with airline personnel at all gates.
- Be attentive and vigilant to any suspicious activity and report it to authorities.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection will increase enforcement efforts in international arrival areas including the use of advanced targeting tools, special response teams including baggage and aircraft search teams, baggage x-ray equipment, specially-trained canine units, and explosive detection technology.
DHS has also mandated that all flights from the United Kingdom transmit passenger manifest information for intensive screening prior to departure from the gate. In addition, passengers on these flights and all other international flights will be subject to heightened inspection upon arrival in the United States.
08-10-2006, 09:59 AM
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: Any, usually behind the wing
Posts: 382
Fly less, drive more...sorry folks, that's my honest feeling. And every hour that the TSA adds to my trip, I'll drive 50-100 miles further.
As it is now, I will drive 450 (definately) to 600 miles (depends) before I fly.
As it is now, I will drive 450 (definately) to 600 miles (depends) before I fly.
08-10-2006, 10:06 AM
#19
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by WatchThis!
[From another forum, but worth reposting here]
I wonder who was planning on blowing up the planes???
Could it have been a group of cheese salesmen from Wisconsin????
Perhaps a group of pastors coming back from touring old churches in Europe????
A basketball team from New York????
A group of Boy Scouts and their leaders returning from an international jamboree???
Some Swedish models????
Retired Americans coming home from a dream vacation overseas????
Oh I know a group of business men coming back after wrapping up a lucrative merger deal with a British Corporation???
Might it have been people from Hollywood returning to the US after checking out a location to shoot a film???
A group of high school students traveling as part of an educational tour that they had bake sales and car washes for a year to pay for??
Cricket fans???
Soccer fans???
Newlyweds returning from their honeymoon???
Active duty military personnel returning to the United States from overseas???
Perhaps medical researchers traveling to the US to work on a project to cure or treat some horrible disease???
Might be some of those crazy b@astards who work on new computer and communications technology???
Perhaps some Americans returning to the US via LHR from a visit to friends and family living in Israel???
A group of golfers returning to the US after playing on some of the famous golf courses in the UK????
Oh I know some 85 year old WW II vets coming back from a tour of the beaches they last visited 60 years ago?? Some of those guys are still suffering from PTS, might be them???
How about some kids from BYU coming back from a year of doing mission work overseas???
I wonder???? Does anyone want to speculate what group of individuals would be plotting to blow up a bunch of aircraft traveling from Great Britain to the United States???? The possibilities are endless and the choices so broad. I have mentioned just about all the groups I could think of.
Can anyone come with another group of individuals who execute and plan 99% of the terrorism (cowardism) that plagues the world???
I certainly hope the investigators do not target a specific ethnic background or members of a certain religion. The suicide bombers could be anyone, from any religion or ethnic group, it would be unfair to profile anyone and make security so much less efficient...
I wonder who was planning on blowing up the planes???
Could it have been a group of cheese salesmen from Wisconsin????
Perhaps a group of pastors coming back from touring old churches in Europe????
A basketball team from New York????
A group of Boy Scouts and their leaders returning from an international jamboree???
Some Swedish models????
Retired Americans coming home from a dream vacation overseas????
Oh I know a group of business men coming back after wrapping up a lucrative merger deal with a British Corporation???
Might it have been people from Hollywood returning to the US after checking out a location to shoot a film???
A group of high school students traveling as part of an educational tour that they had bake sales and car washes for a year to pay for??
Cricket fans???
Soccer fans???
Newlyweds returning from their honeymoon???
Active duty military personnel returning to the United States from overseas???
Perhaps medical researchers traveling to the US to work on a project to cure or treat some horrible disease???
Might be some of those crazy b@astards who work on new computer and communications technology???
Perhaps some Americans returning to the US via LHR from a visit to friends and family living in Israel???
A group of golfers returning to the US after playing on some of the famous golf courses in the UK????
Oh I know some 85 year old WW II vets coming back from a tour of the beaches they last visited 60 years ago?? Some of those guys are still suffering from PTS, might be them???
How about some kids from BYU coming back from a year of doing mission work overseas???
I wonder???? Does anyone want to speculate what group of individuals would be plotting to blow up a bunch of aircraft traveling from Great Britain to the United States???? The possibilities are endless and the choices so broad. I have mentioned just about all the groups I could think of.
Can anyone come with another group of individuals who execute and plan 99% of the terrorism (cowardism) that plagues the world???
I certainly hope the investigators do not target a specific ethnic background or members of a certain religion. The suicide bombers could be anyone, from any religion or ethnic group, it would be unfair to profile anyone and make security so much less efficient...
08-10-2006, 11:01 AM
#20
Thx Age 65
Joined APC: Jul 2005
Position: MD11CAP
Posts: 1,041
Originally Posted by surreal1221
I love the smoke and mirrors.
I've already said my piece on this over at Jetcareers.
Another knee-jerk reaction due to the FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, insufficient protection of citizens.
I've already said my piece on this over at Jetcareers.
Another knee-jerk reaction due to the FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, insufficient protection of citizens.
Yeah its all smoke and mirrors. Oh wait, there's 24 people in custody in the UK who were planning on bringing explosive components in common houshold liquid containiners and mixing them on a plane. And Eight missing Eygyptian students in the US who just decided not to show up for there classes.
And this
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=19
And this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Six
But I am sure the evil emperor W is just pulling the strings of these wackadoos to allow us to go to war in the Middle east for oil.
Oh wait, I thought he was a chimp. Is he machavellian evil incarnate, or a stooge for big oil today?
