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10-27-2010 | 04:58 PM
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Yup, and they'e got nothing of substance with which to make an argument.
There are some historical guides and some folks that have walked a DPA like path have posted about them (FedEx Pilots Association, National Pilots Association, Independent Association of Continental Pilots). They all rejoined ALPA. Are there any real success stories for the isolationists/tribalists out there? Nope. "Industry leading" SWAPA undercut ALPA for 32 years, and they still work for just 80% of unadjusted "restoration" as demanded by some here. APA? Only if you count leading the "B"-scale and being first to the concession stand this decade (with still nothing to show for it). Oh, ALPA kicked APA's butt in their last grievance over flows. IPA? Nearlyl 20 years of undercutting cargo rates and a higher dues structure (2.25%) than ALPA.
I'm sure I'll be told I have this wrong
There are some historical guides and some folks that have walked a DPA like path have posted about them (FedEx Pilots Association, National Pilots Association, Independent Association of Continental Pilots). They all rejoined ALPA. Are there any real success stories for the isolationists/tribalists out there? Nope. "Industry leading" SWAPA undercut ALPA for 32 years, and they still work for just 80% of unadjusted "restoration" as demanded by some here. APA? Only if you count leading the "B"-scale and being first to the concession stand this decade (with still nothing to show for it). Oh, ALPA kicked APA's butt in their last grievance over flows. IPA? Nearlyl 20 years of undercutting cargo rates and a higher dues structure (2.25%) than ALPA.
I'm sure I'll be told I have this wrong
You could point to it if ALPA would include it in your talking points. UPS leading the industry in pay. APA, never bankrupt and pensions intact.
Carl
10-27-2010 | 05:01 PM
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Oh, yeah, how does FedEx compare over time with IPA...
10-27-2010 | 05:06 PM
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I'm glad ALPA made the generous offer to provide services to APA. I assume generous means offered for free - Maybe DPA can get the same offer?
There is no doubt unions should work together rather than in competition...swimming in the same direction and all. However, this logic does not make the leap that APA is re-joining ALPA or that APA has a conflict of interest in representing the American mainline Pilots.
There is no doubt unions should work together rather than in competition...swimming in the same direction and all. However, this logic does not make the leap that APA is re-joining ALPA or that APA has a conflict of interest in representing the American mainline Pilots.
10-27-2010 | 05:10 PM
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You know no such thing.
Carl
10-27-2010 | 05:12 PM
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I'm glad ALPA made the generous offer to provide services to APA. I assume generous means offered for free - Maybe DPA can get the same offer?
There is no doubt unions should work together rather than in competition...swimming in the same direction and all. However, this logic does not make the leap that APA is re-joining ALPA or that APA has a conflict of interest in representing the American mainline Pilots.
There is no doubt unions should work together rather than in competition...swimming in the same direction and all. However, this logic does not make the leap that APA is re-joining ALPA or that APA has a conflict of interest in representing the American mainline Pilots.
2. Nobody said that APA was rejoining ALPA. There was a move to do that in the late 90's, but it failed due to the TWA buyout and fear of ALPA merger policy. Nobody that I've read has said APA has a conflict of interest. What I have said is that APA has been less effective for their membership than ALPA. I've used examples such as B-scale, first to concessions, 1997 "strike" and Judge Kendall fines as examples. I note that Nu doesn't want to get into how many mainline jets and pilots AMR has lost over the last few years.
10-27-2010 | 05:16 PM
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You wouldn't follow anyone out of the mine shaft dude. The mine shaft is the status quo...you're all about keeping the status quo. I'll drop you some new batteries for that flashlight.
Carl
10-27-2010 | 05:23 PM
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It's really hard to debate the issues as it is. When you don't even comprehend the written word, it makes it even harder.
Carl
10-27-2010 | 05:27 PM
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10-27-2010 | 05:32 PM
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If you can find a single post where I have ever advocated a wildcat strike, then you would be correct. But as always, nothing about you is correct.
You wouldn't follow anyone out of the mine shaft dude. The mine shaft is the status quo...you're all about keeping the status quo. I'll drop you some new batteries for that flashlight.
Carl
You wouldn't follow anyone out of the mine shaft dude. The mine shaft is the status quo...you're all about keeping the status quo. I'll drop you some new batteries for that flashlight.
Carl
Carl;
You keep missing the point. Divisiveness works for you though. No one is advocating status quo except for a the broader organizational structure. People can still advocate for change from within or is that so "last year?"
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