Delta Pilots Association
11-28-2010 | 05:24 AM
#3071
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,844
Likes: 0
From: 765-A
NewK's plan will accomplish exactly what APA's plan accomplished. Nothing. You will work under this contract basically forever. What I am looking for in a contract will increase Delta's costs almost 1 billion dollars a year. It would be by a large margin the largest increase ever negotiated in a airline contract. The 2001 contract at Delta raised costs about half a billion a year. If you think you going to get 2 billion out of the company and get it done in a reasonable time then give me a real plan. In fact my concept may turn out to be not workable. The company more then likely will pull the same delay tactics we have seen at AMR. At that point it becomes a war and I will vote to up the demands to full restoration. We will however work under this contract for at least 5 years beyond the amendable date before we can strike. Even then many of you have posted you don't believe we will ever be allowed to strike. I disagree with that. At some point we will be allowed to strike. It will be a long tough battle to get there but there is a process. It will be painfully slow.
Hold this thought.
11-28-2010 | 06:00 AM
#3073
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Likes: 0
That's why we have reps elected BY us, to represent us. And I have complete confidence in their ability to do exactly that.
11-28-2010 | 06:20 AM
#3074
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 3
From: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Again, How about a plan? The reason is simple. There is no plan under the RLA that can deliver in one bump a restoration contract. There is also no way Delta could survive such a contract in its current form as I pointed out in another post. The fallout from the other employees would destroy the airline without even discussing what happens every single time to airlines with a large cost disadvantage. You have to drag the other airlines with you.
P.S. APA has fired the restoration crowd. They are putting all new people in to try and get a contract down in the next year. I suspect you will see a agreement. It wont be anything close to restoration but hopefully it will be a step in the right direction.
P.S. APA has fired the restoration crowd. They are putting all new people in to try and get a contract down in the next year. I suspect you will see a agreement. It wont be anything close to restoration but hopefully it will be a step in the right direction.
And even if they did, I care not.
11-28-2010 | 06:52 AM
#3075
Happy to be here
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 18,563
Likes: 0
From: A-320A
It is how it is classified and sold to these groups.
The FA's see it as this: They could care less what we did prior to CH 11 (LOA 46) all they were told is that we took the CH 11 cut (LOA 51) like they did.
Of course they are quickly corrected, but they always come back with "My pension stinks, and we took the same cut in CH11. I could care less what you agreed to prior to the CH11 process."
That is how it was sold and how it was perceived. Like you, what an "at will" employee thinks about what happened is of no consequence to me. We are the bread winners with a lot more than three weeks of training for our jobs on the line. I want em content, but not at our expense. My impression, is everyone is done giving and being the proverbial ATM.
PG;
Correct. The Reps and Admin will have the dubious job of sifting though 12000 levels of demands to come up with the majority position. That is their job. I too trust them.
The FA's see it as this: They could care less what we did prior to CH 11 (LOA 46) all they were told is that we took the CH 11 cut (LOA 51) like they did.
Of course they are quickly corrected, but they always come back with "My pension stinks, and we took the same cut in CH11. I could care less what you agreed to prior to the CH11 process."
That is how it was sold and how it was perceived. Like you, what an "at will" employee thinks about what happened is of no consequence to me. We are the bread winners with a lot more than three weeks of training for our jobs on the line. I want em content, but not at our expense. My impression, is everyone is done giving and being the proverbial ATM.
PG;
Correct. The Reps and Admin will have the dubious job of sifting though 12000 levels of demands to come up with the majority position. That is their job. I too trust them.
11-28-2010 | 07:33 AM
#3076
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 412
Likes: 0
From: A330 A
I am VERY confident ALPA will do exactly that. I just suspect YOUR list of wants is different from MY list of wants is different from every one else's. Believe it or not, we have 12,000+ lists, and for you to presume to speak for all of them is no less arrogant than if I were to presume I speak for them.
That's why we have reps elected BY us, to represent us. And I have complete confidence in their ability to do exactly that.
That's why we have reps elected BY us, to represent us. And I have complete confidence in their ability to do exactly that.
By the way, I attend my LEC meetings and my reps know what I think. I suggest everyone attend or voice their POVs to their reps as well.
11-28-2010 | 08:08 AM
#3078
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Likes: 0
Great advice. I wish more would follow that; if they did, I'm confident our contract opener would reflect the will of the majority.
11-28-2010 | 11:36 AM
#3079
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
Carl;
You will not have to fly those jets for "RJ" wages, but a RJ guy would love to fly those jets for whatever they pay because they have a DAL seniority number that gives them a direct path to your seat, not a 10 year career at a regional followed by a longevity reset.
You will not have to fly those jets for "RJ" wages, but a RJ guy would love to fly those jets for whatever they pay because they have a DAL seniority number that gives them a direct path to your seat, not a 10 year career at a regional followed by a longevity reset.
Carl
11-28-2010 | 11:51 AM
#3080
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
You are so afraid of restoration that even when people post a plan, you refuse to see it.
Pure BS and opinion only on your part. You have no idea whether this is the case or not. What we do know, is that you are scared to death to try.
Really Chicken Little? The fallout from the other employees? Is there no excuse that you will not hide behind? Let the other employees get representation and fight for what they think they are worth. Instead, you say we shouldn't fight because the other employees would turn in to goons that would scuttle the airline. Unbelievable!
Dragging the other airlines with you is exactly what a leader is supposed to do. We are not doing that at all. The pilots of AMR are leading. UAL/CAL is next up in the leader's batting box. They're hoping to drag US along in this fight for restoration. People like you are too fearful to even try. Your hope is that those guys get restoration contracts, then we sign for something less so that Delta can keep the huge competitive advantage of pilots who cost less. Bad plan. Weak plan.
Carl
Carl
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Lbell911
Regional
23
04-22-2012 10:33 AM
