Superdad

There is always a possibility of unintended consequences. However, if the majority of pilots feel that they are not being represented adequately by ALPA then the fear of an unintended consequence is not a good reason to keep them around.

The simple fact that so many are so quick to jump on this bandwagon, even without a clear direction given by DPA, should tell you something about the level of discontent amongst some DAL pilots. Hopefully this movement will light a fire under ALPA's ass since showing up at LEC meetings or voicing our concerns in other ways, seems to gain us nothing more than a few "tabled" resolutions.

In this day and age of instantaneous electronic information there is no reason why every DAL pilot cannot be involved in nearly every policy decision. Personally, I would vote for the guy who runs on no platform at all. I simply want my candidate to stand up and say "I will ask you your opinion on an issue and then vote according to what the majority of pilots want." I realize that may be an oversimplification, but I believe that would be something we could all live with, majority rules.

Flamer

Superdad is right on. Know how many times my paid representation has solicited my opinion on any specific issue?

I would vote for a rep that did exactly what you are saying, and ended every speech with "ALPA sucks Yo!"

That should be DPA's slogan.

DAL 88 Driver

I think I read somewhere that it was a Council 20 email.

TheManager

Ok. What exactly are these unintended consequences?

TheManager

You know the content was?

DAL 88 Driver

Edited:
Okay, never mind... somebody already asked the same question.

DAL 88 Driver

Okay, I just went back and looked. It was from a thread on the DALPA Forum. One poster referred to it as a "note from Council 20". Another poster said it was in reference to pilots leaving DPA flyers and stickers in the cockpit. I don't know if that is fact or conjecture on his part. I haven't seen the email so that's all I know. And if "Jack Bauer" shows up in this thread again... please tell him that is REALLY all I know!

JoeMerchant

This is entertaining if nothing else....Ray Charles could have seen this train wreck coming within ALPA.

That being said, what changes by leaving ALPA? American/APA and Eagle/ALPA have the same issues.

As much as it pains me to say this, ALPA didn't create this mess. They didn't help, but they sure didn't create it. EGO by "big airplane" drivers created this mess. Somehow, we got off the track by thinking that seat number and propulsion made us different. That was a mistake.

This morphed into using the smaller airplanes to "build time" so that one could become a "real" airline pilot. All the while, those at the top, continued to sell off the bottom numbers to protect what they had....The spiral tightened.....

Now here we are, and we somehow think that we can change the letters of the organization that represents us....Go for it if you want, but it doesn't change the basic problem, or the attitude that got us here....

newKnow

Scoop,

I feel like the 800 pound gorilla in the room is being ignored. In a way that gorilla is us and our past inaction and in another way the gorilla is the CAL/UAL merger negotiations. (400 lbs each )

Are we as Delta pilots concerned with scope? Hell yeah and we have been for a very long time, no matter what uniform we wore before the merger.

So, the real question is, why is it that the CAL/UAL pilots are making scope a central issue for their merger discussion under the ALPA umbrella and we did not?

Personally, I don't care who represents us. I just want to win. But, no one is explaining to me how DPA would have behaved differently if LM was in charge of it instead of DALPA.

Let me explain. By the way that everyone defends LM around here, I have to assume that he would have been elected leader of DPA, as well as most of the other reps. Right? So, I guess I'll ask in a different way, because no one has answered any of my questions yet. How is a DPA run by LM different than the U/CALPA run by WM and whoever is leading the CAL pilots?

If they are successful in getting rid of the rj's, and I hope they are, to me it will prove that ALPA is not the problem.

Instead of blaming ALPA maybe we need to take a look in the mirror.


New K

JABDIP

Just my 2 cents. ALPA has had the non disputed position of representing the majority of the pilots for quite sometime. No questions asked. Most of us feel that National ALPA has become a self serving entity, i truly believe this. I have had good buds elected that were going to kick butt for the pilots all of a sudden only turn into guys worrried about the good of NATIONAL ALPA. Really Xissed me off. It is a self serving organization that I do not believe we can correct but I do believe we can get their attention with this vote. I personally feel that my dues dollars are pretty much wasted. I would much rather waste them on a DELTA only group as at least I would know the bucks were being spent for me and not a regional taking my flyng away. ALPA (national) can not represent 2 groups that are in conflict with each other. you regional guys out there are shooting down the professsion for what you are willing to work for and you know why you went to work for that pay , top get to the big bucks but you are destroying the chance to get there. I sent in my card, shot across the bow. Send in yours because all that will happen is a vote on ALPA or DPA. In the end if it is ALPA they will have to acknowledge that they have a group that is not happy with the curent direction and maybe they will change.