I guess I just go shut up and color.

 

Satch, I am way senior and I would strike in a heartbeat over any scope sales,period. I might differ a little with a lot of people on here in that I think trying to buy back scope presents some problems and is a double edged sword. A large part of the problem will go away on its own with higher fuel prices and crowded airports. It will be interesting to see what the new UAL does in this regard because that will give us a good idea on the future lay of the land.
Keep posting, if everybody on here agreed on different items these threads would have died long ago.

 

I agree with Finis.

It is actually good to have your position on here. If anything, the response should make you realize that the senior guys get scope too. Talk to the guys you fly with. I have had the occasional one that is willing to sell anything for his alimony payment, but the fact is that most realize after the last decade that scope thus far has been permanent and pay has been temporary.

Everyone would "like" the buying power of C2k, no doubt about it, but the majority of pilots at Delta are willing to wait and see what the conditions dictate. Margins in the upper single digits to lower double digits combined with what APA and UALALPA do will play in to that.


As for what we buy back or do not buy back. Scope is unity. Simple as that. Bring the flying back in house and you can command the pay rates that may expect because you corner the market on Delta flying. We as a pilot group need to answer "yes" to the "IF" before we worry about the "how."
The how has may options but it takes resolve for the "if"

 

That is a pretty good point.

 

So you aren't doing this with DPA? DPA has zero track record, no ties in D.C., & nothing more then a crystal ball prediction.

 

I agree with you on scope but could not disagree more with this statement! In fact, if this thinking is representative of our current MEC, then it pretty much solidifies my inclination that ALPA is incapable of representing us and that a change is warranted. It is very rare and unlikely to achieve anything difficult and significant by adopting a "wait and see" attitude! Can't you see why this is wrong?

 

^^^^^^^^^ Agree!

 

APA came out & demanded a 50% pay raise. How has that worked for them?

You guys honestly believe that we can just negotiate whatever pay rates we want regardless of our peers rates?

 

WN did. CAL/UAL are doing it right now.

 

I'm not doing anything with DPA at this point (other than I sent in a card because I think the debate/vote is worth having) as they do not represent me yet. What I do know is that I would rather go with a somewhat unknown quantity that advocates restoration and believes it is possible, than to stick with a known quantity with a track record of making every excuse in the book why it can't happen and that advocates tying our compensation to the ups and downs of the economy and our industry. If you look at the track record of this industry, we are unlikely to ever make any significant progress by tying our compensation to this industry's profits. To base our strategy on that is very likely to be a failure from the start.