TheManager.... "MOU 14 was entered into agreement with TO'M and SD representing DAL. With a strike of a pen, our livelyhoods were material effected as the look back for transatlantic JV compliance was reset from 1 to 3 years.

With the MOU, the MEC was left out of the decsion making process unlike a LOA.

As we are seeing a reduction in wide body pilots and stagnant progression as our JV partners prosper, ask yourselves why would ALPA do this to their pilots?

Is this how they are going to represent us in future negotiations with the company?"



MOU 14 corrected an imbalance that was not in our favor. When the original JV was signed, it was signed with the knowledge that Alitalia would some day enter the JV. When they did, as planned, the new proportion was about 47.5% Delta, and 52.5% AF/KLM/Alitalia. Signing MOU 14 returned the proportion of flying to 50/50. To consider this a negative thing for Delta pilots displays an misunderstanding of MOU 14 and its connection to the original JV.

The MEC was fully aware of the original JV intent to bring in Alitalia at a later date, and the 50/50 agreement was a result of Delta pilot interaction at the JV meeting held in NY last May. The MEC could have held their MEC meeting in a less expensive location, and been left out of the JV planning. Then we'd be stuck with the 47.5%/52.5% ratio. So, while the NY meeting was expensive, it did a good thing returning the proportion to 50/50.

 

[QUOTE=clancy;1091479]Well that's certainly good for Delta pilots. When they added Alitalia to the mix it would seem to tip the balance towards European carriers getting a higher percentage of the flying as the new entrants EASKs enter the equation. Getting our EASKs up to 50% from 47.5% through an MOU or LOA seems like a good thing to me and probably a good precedent.

After the first rolling three year average, how often do they look back, every three years, or do they look back three years every year?

 

Okay great, but the lookback changed from 90 days to 3 years. The imbalance of flying can go on for 3 years before being corrected or until the next mou is signed. What part of this is good for the delta pilots?

 

Scambo, what makes you think we won't see the opener? We saw it in '92, '96, and 2000. I think we will see it.

Now I agree that we won't see survey data. Revealing that would be plain stupid.

 

Scambo, well I'm not an expert on the JV (nor is anyone else on this forum). I thought the original look back was 1 year. I agree that the current 3 year look back seems long. I will talk to my reps and see if I can get an answer. Just guessing, but since the JV deals with profit sharing, it doesn't make sense for AF/KML/AZ to exceed their proportion, bear those expenses, and then give the 50% of the profit to Delta. From what was briefed at the C44 LEC Meeting earlier in Nov., the MOU 14 agreement means Delta increases flying across the Atlantic by 6 or 8 flights a day (unless AF/KLM/AZ shrinks).

 

We are currently NOT in balance. In fact, we are currently at the limit of imbalance - in favor of AF/KLM. And now we have a 3 YEAR lookback to correct that imbalance. 3 years! As opposed to 90 days. This is horrible for Delta pilots.

Why the MEC chairman did this is anyone's guess.

Carl

 

from the Council 20 Chairman "...and of course we will NOT release the opener to the members as that would be like showing your hand in poker."

Carl

 

It was recently clarified that the opener will be made available to us, just not prior to the start of negotiations.

The survey results will not be made available.

 

I don't think the C20 Chairman knows what he is talking about. Save this post Carl, and when the opener is presented, if we don't see it, repost this and I'll apologize.

 

If we get to see the opener, I'll apologize. But unlike Clamp's statement, I've seen no such clarification.

Carl